Stupidity: Max is shown fulfilling the various wishes that people express to him, and never turn down any; it would not fit what he became anyway, which is a wishing stone. If people touch him, he has to comply. The wishes he can grant have seemingly no limit, and yet, in this predicament it takes a humongous level of suspension of disbelief to assume that in a climate of global war and chaos, NOBODY wishes for things to go better in any way and the nuclear war to be stopped. There are even in some street scenes "Ban nukes" signs; surely some of those guys must have wished for the madness to stop.
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11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
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Suggested correction: The Dreamstone was also created by the Duke of Deception to bring chaos into the world. It brought out people's selfish desires. When Max Lord became the Dreamstone, he was able to continue to manipulate people in wishing what they truly desired, wishing for more than than had. In the comics, Max Lord had the ability to telepathically alter people's minds after he became a metahuman, so it seems the film incorporated this power as well. It/He made people wish for selfish things. That was the purpose of Wonder Woman's monologue, to tell the people to become less selfish, so give up their wants, to be the hero to save the world by giving up their wish (and wish for a better world would have cost too much, so that wouldn't be an option).
"Cost too much" is not a rule established in the movie, since desires like the deportation of the Irish, "Wish I never met you" "want all the money in the world" someone says in background have astonishingly powerful ramifications. LIkewise why would it be an implication that he is the one who makes them wish only selfish things? The movie wants to say that there are no 'good' wishes when you take shortcuts to make them happen (or at least it tries to referencing the Monkey paw) but to do so shows only wishes that are rotten to begin with.
Suggested correction: With so many people wishing at the same time, it's logical a lot of people are wishing for the opposite. I'm sure the stone's power has some way of dealing with conflicting wishes. For example, someone could wish for the world to blow up or burn, whilst others wish that everybody will be happy and healthy. So, nothing much happens that threatens human existence (the stone would be worthless if all humans are dead) as those wishes cancel eachother out. But the nuclear war happened before Max started talking to everybody, so that is happily continuing.
Most people would have wished the nukes to disappear pretty instantly especially with the world falling into chaos and everyone panicking about it.
And others would have wished for them to hit and kill the "heathens" or "hateful." Cancellation.
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Plot hole: The established rule of the wishing stone says that you get one wish, to the point that Max couldn't grant a second wish to the guy who wished a Porsche even if Max was really eager to get his help, and warned his son against wasting his, screaming disappointed when he did waste it. But all of a sudden, he can grant Cheetah a second wish because he's "feeling generous". Without rules, he'd be some omnipotent being who can do anything. The fun part is that there was no need at all for this mess, since Barbara's second wish by its nature (and even the way she formulates it) supersedes the first...but Max couldn't know that. (02:01:10)
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Suggested correction: Max is taking from whoever wishes, he choses what. What he takes, he gives to Barbara and himself. He takes the health, she gets the fury. That way he grants her wish without her actually wishing. Same with himself, taking what he wants. And yes, what she wishes does supersede her first wish, but e still holds those powers as well.
That's just changing the established rule out of the blue and just for one person. Why would she get more than one wish when everyone else can't and earlier he was shown to have that limit and be frustrated by it?
It can also be pointed out that the original stone gave Barbara her wish. When Max Lord became the Dreamstone, he became something else. She never got a wish from him. When he says he was feeling generous, he wasn't saying he'll grant her a 2nd wish, he's saying he won't take anything from her.
Then he did not get what he wished for, since his wish was literally "I wish to be you, the Dreamstone itself." And him not taking anything from her is again a change of the rule.
And since he didn't turn into a crystal, he became something else. He had the power. And there was no "rule" something had to be taken, Max was taking something out of greed. The stone did have a natural consequence, which Barbara experienced by losing her humanity in order to become Cheetah. But that's noting to do with Max taking anything or the rules changing.
The conversation is shifting away from the original point; she gets 2 wishes and nobody else does, not even people he wants them to. It cannot be because they are considered separate entities, because then the previous stone is not considered in existence anymore and then Barbara and Diana's desires should have been nullified.
Technically you can't call this a mistake. The stone being absorbed by Max doesn't destroy the power the stone held, nor is there a president for this. So there is no telling what would change from the original powers and or ruleset of the stone. Max never granted a 2nd wish and stating he was feeling generous was just a means to get the wish spoken out. Max also offered Diana a wish even though she already had a wish happen by the original stone. The question is, did the stone restore?
It's all the same thing. The problem with a lot of these mistake entries is making false assumptions about what should or shouldn't happen and not understanding who the characters are and what's going on. Yes, the film has flaws, but this isn't a forum to express your personal thoughts about what you think is wrong with the film (some don't even sound like original ideas since they're word exactly like what you can find online everywhere).
Since it's not a forum, I shouldn't reply to something not pertaining to the entry itself, but thanks for saying that you can read this 'everywhere', means I am not the only one thinking this way and perhaps you should wonder why? But that aside he can't grant wishes to someone who already expressed them not take nothing away, until he just does. My original entry says who when why based on the movie itself. The movie being flawed or not is not really my point, I hope it's clear that whenever something about a movie is posted, it does not mean to just 'riff' on the movie or 'bash' it or anything per se. Enjoying a movie and its plot with its simplifications and sometimes metaphorical licenses has nothing to do with examining a plot point and read through the fine print.
Maybe instead of endless comments one should just wait with commenting until the suggested entry is actually liked enough and corrects your mistake. If people don't agree with the suggested correction, no need to discuss it.
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Audio problem: When Diana walks away from Steve, he yells a final line that is noticeably dubbed over - does not even sound like Chris Pine's voice. (01:58:05)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Revealing mistake: An enraged Cheetah almost literally mops the White House floor with Diana flailing her around with the lasso. Wonder Woman is sent back first into a pillar, which disintegrates from the impact. Very good, but not so good is the other piece of pillar that comes down and bounces like rubber by her. (01:51:45)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Continuity mistake: When Diana is pushed into the hall by Cheetah, she has a bleeding fresh wound with a couple or streams of blood. When she is on the ground after Cheetah hurls a guard at her, the blood has dried up. (01:50:25)
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Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Revealing mistake: Maxwell is surrounded by the Secret Service, but these trained specialists look around idly and confused when he gets lasso'd and turns towards Diana telling her "Well, aren't you resourceful", as if they wouldn't see the cartoon rope. The guy on the left even appears to be fumbling with his communicator or belt weapon. (01:47:00)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: The clocks inside the Oval office and the one you can see behind Carl as he is giving Diana the boring tour point at different times despite the two scenes happening simultaneously. (01:43:45)
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Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Plot hole: The plot specifies that the only way to defeat the evil god is destroying the stone or for everyone to renounce to their gifts. That second option is an impossibility, if you consider that people wished things like "a cup of coffee" that they can't take back in any fathomable way or didn't even realise it was a wish, and it's of course statistically impossible that everyone on the face of Earth was convinced by Wonder Woman's pep talk, or was reached by her message, that spreads through the TV.
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Suggested correction: Not everyone had to renounce their wish. The point was that as Wonder Woman was convincing people to be better and rescind their selfish wishes, Max Lord began to lose power and regain his humanity enough to be convinced to rescind his wish. Once he did so, all wishes he granted were not only rescinded, but what he took from everyone was given back. And in a fantasy film, you can certainly "give back" the coffee you wished for. It simply becomes as if you never drank it and the coffee goes back into the pot it came from.
Max ultimately does rescind his wish, but the idea as Steve said was for "everyone to renounce their wish", which would have been impossible to begin with, and the movie shows only, constantly, people wishing for bad things, some of which were inherently transient and can't be reversed (such as the person who wished Max to have an audience with the President.: that can't be taken back). The supposed alternative method was impossible to fulfill. However I agree that that the impossible idea suggested was not what ultimately happened, which matters more.;-).
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: Barbara is on the phone with Diana (which per se is already a feat, an international call from a public phone in 1984) and tells her what she discovered. It's broad daylight for both of them and meanwhile the TV announces that Max came into possession of half of the world's oil reserves, which were in Arabia. Let's assume he had someone from his escort party wish him there, but then again, if he could just teleport, he wouldn't take planes and helicopters as he keeps doing throughout the movie. And the news say that a "instability resulted in a nationwide run on gas." Already? It barely just happened now. Timing seems all over the place. (01:27:10)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Factual error: Diana tells Steve to sum up Barbara's report that the stone appeared in places that all have something in common; "Their civilization collapsed catastrophically, without a trace as to why." That's just ridiculous; one could even argue it could apply to the Maya, who did suffer a sharp decline historians have not reached consensus on, or the Kingdom of Kush's, due to not a great abundance of historical sources, but Carthage? And the Roman Empire had been in a crisis for centuries and it is far from being some mystical overnight disappearance. (01:27:50)
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Suggested correction: She never says this sentence. She just said the stone was there, not that it caused unexplained collapses of civilizations.
Never? "The stone has traveled the world to seemingly random and different places, but they all have something in common; their civilization collapsed catastrophically, without a trace as to why." She says that sentence as I quoted it. If that's not a clear implication (together with what happens in this movie when in less than a week the whole world is on the brink of destruction) that it is the stone that caused it, I don't know what it is.
She doesn't say it in the version of the movie I have. Not at that timestamp anyway.
She says it to Steve when she hangs up, my timestamp is about half a minute off since I pointed the beginning of the conversation about civilizations collapsing, I apologize if it caused an inconvenience.
Oh wait, now I know what you mean. She is just jumping to conclusions there. She means that the real reason was the stone, not what history tells them.
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Character mistake: Barbara mentions that Kush went extinct in 4 AD. Maybe the fourth century? In 4 AD the civilization was still alive and well, and the collapse happened around the 4th century. (01:27:45)
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Suggested correction: Barbara didn't say it went extinct in 4 AD. She says the stone appeared in Kush in 4 AD.
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Character mistake: When Barbara gives the hilarious back story of the wishing stone, she mentions that "Romulus, the last emperor of Rome, he had it on him when he was assassinated in 476." That's an amazing historical find in itself, because Romulus Augustulus (just "Romulus" is not really correct) was never assassinated; he had to abdicate the title in that year, but then lived the rest of his life in exile. It's worth noting that the novelization of the movie talks about Romulus, Rome's FIRST ruler, and his 'mysterious disappearance'. (01:27:45)
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Suggested correction: Not a mistake in the movie for Barbara to give inaccurate information on history, since she is rushing through all of it without fact checking everything. He focus is the stone, not what happened to Romulus.
I don't see what's wrong with saying it's a character mistake, really. By that logic, any bit of historical context provided in a movie could be incorrectly stated as long as it comes from someone who is in a rush. I find more interesting to report when something said in a movie for a serious purpose is wrong and not challenged.
She's not an educated historian, OK for her to be mistaken. If she however says wrongful things about something she is supposed to be an expert in, that's a character mistake.
It's not OK for her to be mistaken because when you specifically research for something (she has super-fast reading powers now and her task was to do some complex history research, it was not a random mistake playing Trivial Pursuit) there's no way to get that piece of information wrong; she is tracing the path the stone took, the fate of its last known owner is important. That being said, I don't particularly care about her status as expert (which she is, having done a specific research as said); dramatically speaking it's the bit of historical context the movie provides, it should not have mistakes in it when they do not have a payoff.
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Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: In a classic physics mistake that superhero comics already dealt with in the early 70s, Wonder Woman to 'save' the kids pounces them at the speed of (literally) a rocket, faster than a car, and even falls with them in an uncontrolled tumble on the asphalt. Those kids should have been reduced to a pulp. (01:25:40)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: You'd think that a road in the middle of a desert wasteland in Egypt would be boring, but the day when a giant wall appears in the country and tanks blow up at hearing distance (especially, again, being in the middle of nowhere), kids can't be bothered and just keep on playing football in the middle of said road. A missile is fired literally seconds before and explodes right there, and yet they are still oblivious and play ball. Same thing for the adults; people casually walk around and look when WWIII has been happening meters away from them. (01:25:40)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Character mistake: Greeting Steve in his gardens, the Emir says "Your fortune the last few days has been impressive to say the least." It literally happened overnight, not 'days'. (01:16:50)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: Barbara in her rage against the dangerous drunk throws him against a parked truck. The impact is so strong it deforms the truck bed. By a LOT, and yet the guy is able to get up (on his knees at least). That impact should have pulverized his ribs, he's not a superhero. (01:15:25)
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Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: Steve and Diana get a wonderful view of the fireworks flying through them. They are on a jet plane and Steve is actively flying it with the engines on, but they get the kind of view you'd get driving lazily a car on a country road. (01:11:30)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Factual error: Diana conjures a shield of invisibility for the jet, but must have also summoned a sound-dampening spell, since the two are comfortably chatting without a helmet and / or usage of the intercom. (01:08:20)
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Suggested correction: You correct your own mistake. Not only is the plane invisible, but also silent as is heard when the plane lifts up and disappears.
I was being facetious. The lack of noise happens way before she starts doing the magic hand thing. If anything, it happens in a ton of movies (prolly there's already an entry in the Common mistakes section somewhere) for people to communicate inside aircrafts or other exceptionally noisy vehicles without the aid of intercoms.
Before she does the invisibility trick Steve hasn't put on the full throttle yet.
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Other mistake: Steve is amazed by the mere sight of modern planes, and by the fact he just learns that there are planes that can fly from the US to Cairo directly (unlike the plane he steals later, incidentally) and in a certain time (which he somehow surmises, it is not displayed on the ticket he is looking at), showing that he absolutely has no prior knowledge of modern aviation. Even for 80s camp, the concept that a WW1 pilot who never even knew of jet planes sits on the cockpit and figures out how it all works in a minute by flipping switches...is totally bogus. (01:08:00)
11th Jan 2021
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Continuity mistake: Diana asks what could be imbued into the stone; Steve is trying to guess and goes "I don't know, hmm." The ring with the Gods' writing is in a different spot of the table compared to other shots (for instance, there's a page in between the jewelry and the other pointed dark item on the desk, absent in other shots). (01:05:40)
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