Sammo

Plot hole: It is of course possible that Eddie Brock heard nothing at all about the biggest news in the whole city and State if he did not turn the TV, check the phone or computer for about 24 hours. But there has been a manhunt for Kasady for that long of a time and nobody including the police checked on the one man Kasady is trying to kill, and who was chilling at home all along. Also, obviously the "breaking news" moment is not breaking nor news. (00:40:25)

Sammo

Other mistake: Venom and Eddie are having a domestic dispute. Items rain off the window in front of a homeless person. The other passers-by change between shots. Not only that; in the second shot there's one extra who turns around acting startled by the man's shout. Does not really make sense; heavy objects just crashed down a few feet from him, anyone would have been startled by that first and foremost. Wrong reaction time/ direction of the extras. (00:32:45)

Sammo

Plot hole: Venom has a photographic memory; he reproduces Kasady's sketch, an outline that matches perfectly a result (already on screen) of the google image-y search page for Rodeo Beach, California. Sure, it's a movie, but this plot device straight from Rise of Skywalker means that Kasady also had to have a photographic memory and that someone took a photo exactly from that one precise spot that happens to be also the exact one that showed up in "WebFindit." A couple of coincidences too many. (00:11:10)

Sammo

Factual error: When we see Young Shriek struggling with Young Detective Mulligan, the gunshot explodes when the weapon is pointed up and at distance from her face. Obviously a direct shot to her eye socket would have killed her, but she is blind in that eye and has a scar in two distinct parts of the socket. It's hard to imagine how a wound with that pattern could have occurred even thinking of the bullet ricocheting off the top of the trunk or something. (00:02:55)

Sammo

Plot hole: Otto Octavius in this movie instantly recognizes the Green Goblin as Norman Osborn, a fact that was never public at least as long as Ock lived. On the other hand, he does not react to Lizard being revealed as Curt Connors, who was a colleague of his in 'his' universe but never a freaky mutated dinosaur like in the 'other' universe.

Sammo

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Suggested correction: Green goblin died and his identity would've been public after his death.

Wrong. Peter placed Norman's corpse on his bed and was discovered by Harry. It's not like he left Norman's body in the building ruins to be discovered by the authorities. Harry himself didn't even know his father was the Green Goblin until the very end of Spider-Man 2. Even Norman's dying wish to Peter was to not tell Harry the truth about him.

Phaneron

Revealing mistake: The back of Cletus Kasady's head appear quite different between the semi-POV shot in the car (stunt driver) and the next shot when Woody Harrelson steps out of it and gets to the gas station where he will 'hack the internets'. (00:49:40)

Sammo

Stupidity: Thanks to Carnage, Kasady steals a car and clothes amongst other things. He then talks to his symbiote, acknowledging its existence. But that scene happens the evening after the night of his escape. The fact that he could have been on the run a whole day with no clothes and no getaway vehicle and without addressing the creature that allowed him to escape appears simply impossible (and it's just confusing editing due to Eddie's timeline with an extra day spent fixing his flat).

Sammo

Continuity mistake: Eddie snoops around the park of Cletus' old delinquent kids' home. He brandishes the torch with his left hand, but when he walks in a frame later he's holding it in his right hand. (00:00:48)

Sammo

Plot hole: Strange says he can't turn back time any more since he does not have the Time stone, so he'll resort to "a standard spell of forgetting." The statement is already quite odd since even with the stone he never showed anything close to the ability to revert time on a global scale for the WEEKS it would take to get back to that moment. But no worries; the "standard spell" is in fact more powerful than the Time stone; for it to work, it can't just make the people forget, or else people would learn back about Peter from the gigabytes of pictures and stories published, the Daily Bugle's archives, Flash's published book, T-shirts etc.

Sammo

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Suggested correction: He didn't understand the workings of the time stone as well as he did other spells. The time stone is definitely more powerful, able to trap an omnipotent cosmic being in a time loop. The spell focusses on 1 person's secret identity being forgotten from memory, hardly more powerful than what the time stone can do. In any case, the difference in power is not important to the plot.

lionhead

The Time Stone in movies always focuses around limited areas, including Dormammu, with Strange concentrating during the activation. It's also a unique artifact and the most powerful in the universe. This is a "forgetfulness spell", but it needs to alter reality (physical evidence) to work, or it's useless, and it's a "standard spell" according to Strange. Was he downplaying it? Let's say he was; it's still a 'fire and forget' sort of deal that alters reality years back.

Sammo

Suggested correction: I wouldn't say that a spell making everyone in the world forget about Peter is more powerful than the time stone. Memory loss is something that happens regularly (and pretty easily, T.B.H.) to people as a result of anything from illness to a bad bonk on the head. Therefore, it doesn't seem like it'd be something that'd be hard for a wizard to do. He's just applying that to a global scale, which doesn't seem like it'd be impossible if it is indeed a basic spell. As for evidence of Peter, it's really not hard to use conjecture to assume he also made evidence of Peter vanish from existence as part of the spell... making things disappear is a very basic wizardry/magician trick. Heck, it's basically a cliche.

TedStixon

I don't get the logic, sorry. It is easy to do it with a person, therefore it's also doable on a global scale? It's easy for a wizard to move a rock, then by that logic it'd be not that hard to move every rock? Instantly? And since it does that but also makes every physical evidence of it vanish, it is not a spell of forgetting. It has to restructure time and space on a massive scale in a very precise way, and here it is trivalized because the movie does not address the consequences (you will see proposed corrections of this entry that assume it changed nothing physical and it's just no biggie). For instance in the latest Strange movie, there's a magic item that is more powerful than any Infinity stone, but it's not something any wizard can access. The fact that a clichè exists (it's not like I haven't read One More Day, for instance) doesn't mean it fits every context (it's not quite the same doing it in the Tooth Fairy movie and here).

Sammo

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that making people forget about something and making some stuff disappear restructures time and space. The film explicitly states that it doesn't - Strange says the spell "won't turn back time." It just makes people forget. (And presumably makes evidence disappear.) There's even a joke in the movie where Strange implies he uses the spell regularly, including an instance where he used it to make Wong forget about a party. Doesn't mean the party didn't happen. Just means Wong doesn't remember it. It seems like you're really over-reading and over-complicating the spell in your head. Forgetting about something (or making some books and computer files vanish) does not necessitate the rewriting of space and time... it just means people forgot and things disappeared. If I forgot about something, and the only piece of evidence vanished, to me, it basically never happened. Doesn't mean history was necessarily re-written.

TedStixon

The boundaries of what constitutes "over-reading" and "over-complicating" are subjective; to me saying "it's a basic spell of forgetting", castable on a whim, for something that necessarily has also to act globally if not universally (Nick Fury is not on this planet and he would forget, most likely) and does not 'merely' affect minds but a plurality of records and physical items dating back over a decade (remember we talk about the whole life of Peter Parker here, not just his association with Spider-man), is over-simplifying on top of misrepresenting. One of the writers answered on the subject by saying they have an answer to that they are not at liberty to reveal currently. We'll see if that is true, (or will just be ignored and dumped on the Sony writers who already spectacularly got it wrong in Morbius); the MCU is not just one movie, and Strange in the previous movies never showed the ability to change the universe deleting selectively parts of it with a 'standard spell'.

Sammo

I think I can get where you're coming from with this. I just personally didn't see it as that big an issue. I think it's probably just an agree to disagree situation. Sorry if I came across as rude.

TedStixon

Suggested correction: Even if we assume the video footage of people saying that Peter is Spidey still exist, this wouldn't matter much. If anybody saw a video of themselves recorded a week ago saying something that they never remembered saying, they would laugh it off and assume it was some "Deepfake" or something.

Besides the fact that I would sue whatever media outlet published my deepfake and most certainly not laugh it off, if there's no magical alteration of reality/space/time to make that spell work, it would be entirely useless. Anyone could just type "Who is Spider-Man" on google and find out from a million sources.

Sammo

Stupidity: We know that the two 'special visitors' have been in our universe longer than a day. Despite being capable, smart, heroic figures, they did diddly-squat until the plot says so, since they haven't tracked down the very public (they recognize them) partners of Spiderman, they don't show up for the battle broadcast by JJJ on giant screens, but more importantly, they do not know who the "Avengers" are, showing they didn't look into Peter's history - the name would have popped up in relation to Stark, the blip and much more. Seems that they didn't even try to look for him.

Sammo

Continuity mistake: Carnage pins against the wall a prison warden who begs him to spare him. He looks straight ahead and the POV shot displays Carnage's face directly in front of him, but in the side view Carnage's splotchy eyes are in front of the chest of the guy and the tongue has to go up a lot to plunge inside the victim 's oesophagus. (00:38:15)

Sammo

Continuity mistake: When Eddie shouts "No!" as the free symbiote vandalizes his bike, he sticks his head out from an apartment completely in the dark, but we saw him run towards the window near the only part of the flat where there are lights still functional and switched on. (00:34:30)

Sammo

Stupidity: Kasady is the highest profile criminal in California; Eddie's symbiote reaches out for him in a very conspicuous way, tossing him around for the whole length of the cell in a thick tentacle shape, but that has zero consequence, implying that there's no sort of security camera in San Quentin. The guard in the room is not even directly behind Eddie, so he would have seen the large tentacle the moment he looked. (00:27:30)

Sammo

Continuity mistake: When Venom starts tossing Kasady around in his cell, Eddie right hand is positioned in the rightmost space of the door. Kasady bites him when his arm is through the space to the left of that, though. His arm is also pointed at a different angle and height between shots. (00:29:35)

Sammo

Revealing mistake: Kasady squishes a spider that is walking on the postcard. The splattered blotch, strictly divided in red and black, is disproportionately large for the size of the insect. (00:25:35)

Sammo

Other mistake: When Eddie reads Kasady's letter, it's obvious that the whole speech can't fit inside the postcard. Moreover, parts of it don't even make sense since Eddie could never "see" the part about Shriek; he knows nothing about her at that point of the movie. Finally, either way when we see him read the letter, the parts shown don't match the narration; for instance when he gets to the part about Kasady's heart stopping, it is on the part of the postcard opposite of the one he's 'reading'. (00:24:25)

Sammo

Continuity mistake: Eddie meets Anne at L'Araignee ("The Spider") and hugs her. His hand is at the top of her shoulder, middle of the back, top of the shoulder again. (00:18:45)

Sammo

Continuity mistake: Venom is drawing hyper-fast parts of the material they ogled on the wall of Kasady's cell. On Eddy's messy desk there's a sheet with data from California State University, very recognizable for the colors and shape of the graph. When they draw the tree, notice that the sheet turns 90° multiple times between shots without Venom touching it. (00:10:50)

Sammo

Audio problem: It is well-established that the symbiote can communicate with Eddie telepathically and others do not hear it. However, it can also speak normally and does so plenty of times; when the two are arguing in the bathroom of the prison, we see that Venom opens its mouth and move its 'lips', which would mean the woman in the stall and Detective Mulligan can hear him - which makes no sense in the scene. (00:06:30)

Sammo

23rd Dec 2021

What If...? (2021)

What If... Ultron Won? - S1-E8

Plot hole: At the end of the previous episode, the Watcher gets surprised (literally saying "wait, what?") by the arrival of Infinity Ultron inside Party Thor's universe.In this episode we find out the story of Ultron.Ultron realises for the first time that there are other universes to conquer right then because he can'hear' the Watcher talk (to whom?) and goes after him.So the two episodes don't match;Ultron couldn't have reached the other universe "before" his realization, and Uatu is again surprised by it.

Sammo

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