FleetCommand

17th Feb 2014

Kung Fu Panda (2008)

Corrected entry: Zeng the duck is sent away to Chorh-Gom prison by Shifu before Shifu and Oogway discuss the dragon scroll and the dragon warrior. While the selection ceremony is underway at the Jade Palace, Commander Vachir is touring Zeng around the prison far away. Neither Commander Vachir nor Zeng knew about the decision to select a dragon warrior, but Vachir says to Tai Lung, "Hey, tough guy! Did you hear? Oogway is about to give someone the Dragon Scroll, and it's not gonna be you." While we as viewers know about the scroll (dramatic irony), none of the characters in the prison scenes knew about the dragon warrior selection, and could not have told Tai Lung. Without this revelation, Tai Lung has no motivation to escape. (00:06:45 - 00:18:20)

Jim Erekson

Correction: It is true that Zeng the duck flew away before Shifu and Oogway could discuss the dragon scroll, but he arrived at the prison bearing a letter from Shifu. Given the ample time between the two occasions, both in real-world time and film time, it is plausible to assume Zeng didn't fly to prison directly. Instead, he stayed long enough to receive Shifu's letter, perhaps blundering about in the same style that we briefly saw at 06:57.

FleetCommand

23rd Nov 2008

Kung Fu Panda (2008)

Continuity mistake: When Po's Dad puts the apron on his following their hug the apron appears out of nowhere, having not appeared in any previous scene.

Brad

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Suggested correction: If you are talking about the event at 1:07:40, it is not a mistake; Po's stepdad put the apron on him. There is a suspicious woosh sound and Po's right eye (left side of the screen) opens in surprise. The apron also unfurls, as if it was just worn.

FleetCommand

The mistake seems valid. When Po's dad see him, he raises his arms (wings) and his hands are empty. When he hugs Po, his arms in no way come close to wrapping around Po's belly. So why we can't see what Mr. Ping is doing during the hug, his position doesn't move, so there's no way he could tie the apron around Po if we assume he somehow had the apron in his pocket (even though there's no evidence for that).

Bishop73

I know. But the whoosh version that the filmmakers have chosen is more fun than your literal-minded version. It is an established tradition in cartoons to replace very fast actions with cartoonish materialization accompanied by a whoosh sound. Following that tradition is not a mistake, especially when the film is a work of fantasy.

FleetCommand

6th Aug 2008

Kung Fu Panda (2008)

Continuity mistake: When Tai Lung is at prison, and he breaks his shield-thing off, the guardians fire four arrows at him and he evades all of them. He uses the fourth and last one to break the shackle off his hand. But in the next camera angle, there are five arrows stuck in the floor. Where did the fifth one come from?

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Suggested correction: The fifth arrow appears after a space of 17 seconds. During this space, not only a fifth arrow has appeared, two other crossbows are rearmed and ready to fire. It is plausible to assume the guards have done all this. This is the natural progress of the film.

FleetCommand

22nd Feb 2019

Tangled (2010)

Continuity mistake: When Flynn is being rescued by the "ruffians", after the second guard is taken, the head guard turns around and Flynn is still handcuffed. Then the head guard is knocked out, and immediately following the other guards break through the rear door and Flynn takes off running. His handcuffs are mysteriously gone. No one removes them.

SirJJH

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Suggested correction: The Viking with the horned helmet does. Immediately after the guards break the door, three men are around Flynn (one of them hanging from the ceiling.) One of them is doing something with Flynn's hands.

FleetCommand

9th Sep 2020

Mulan (2020)

Factual error: Not only Mulan's horse is able to outrun an avalanche (at the beginning even unseen by the large enemy army who does not even notice the event occurring), but it also gallops through it undisturbed while Honghui is being carried away depicted as being in serious danger. (01:09:30)

Sammo

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Suggested correction: This is consistent with what you see throughout the whole film: Mulan consistently breaks the laws of physics because her "Chi" is strong. (Translating it to the Star Wars lingo: Strong with her The Force is.) Five minutes before (video time, not in-film time) she reversed the flight direction of a spear. This is a fantasy film and is supposed to do all of this; we watch it knowing that magic, "Chi", and The Force are not real.

FleetCommand

I doubt that her horse is force-sensitive like she is.

Sammo

That's a composition fallacy.

FleetCommand

9th Sep 2020

Mulan (2020)

Plot hole: The 'avalanche scene' in this remake is mind-boggling. For starters, the Witch single-handedly holds the whole Chinese army at bay splitting in a zillion of flying creatures - a power level completely inconsistent with the rest of the movie. To the annoyance of being pounced by little birds, the army gets in turtle formation, apparently just waiting it out. The Rourans somehow are ready for this and have a trebuchet set up - despite the fact that they are nomads, conquered the forts infiltrating them, and they were skirmishing a moment before. They throw flaming boulders with such precision that they are able to target each single 'testudo', multiple times, with the soldiers just sitting there with no reaction.To save them, Mulan is able to sneak behind them UNSEEN, by horse, with a bunch of extra helmets she somehow carried, set them in place, and fool them. Any of these convoluted operations would have taken an impossibly long time.

Sammo

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Suggested correction: This entry does not mention any plot hole in all of this. All this entry does is explaining what happened in the film and then ridiculing it. For example, the Rourans weren't "somehow" prepared for it; it was their plan from the start. Being mind-boggling is not a mistake.

FleetCommand

"Any of these convoluted operations would have taken an impossibly long time" is not a plot hole? They were not expecting a field battle (the scene literally starts with them saying "They left the garrison!", so were thinking of an entirely different fight), they somehow just happened to have those never-seen-before trebuchets in the middle of nowhere and have them ready for a usage that is out of their capabilities. I could have split the entry in a couple different ones, but the scene is the same and I think they provide adequate context to what happens with the chain of unpredictable and illogic (even in the 'magic' of the movie world) events.

Sammo

I'll answer your first question: "'Any of these convoluted operations would have taken an impossibly long time' is not a plot hole?" In another mistake entry, you've complained that Rourans took their sweet time, and called it another mistake. So, according to yourself, no, it is not a plot hole. Clearly, you didn't like the movie and write just about anything to trash it.

FleetCommand

Apples and oranges; you are comparing an inconsistency in the length/scale of a military campaign with the feasibility of operating a trebuchet, (inconsistent even in the same scene) as if the two could be related in any way. I could write a review if I wanted to simply 'trash' the movie, let's not try to attach motives when someone points out an inconsistency, it's not an attack to the movie per se, or to the viewers who liked it. Some things about this movie do genuinely puzzle me, sure.

Sammo

9th Sep 2020

Mulan (2020)

Plot hole: At the beginning of the movie it is said explicitly by the Chancellor that the Rourans have attacked 6 garrisons at once, disrupting trade on the Silk Road, which would, in his words, threaten the survival of the whole Empire. It's a bit odd considering that their assault relies on the Witch's abilities, and she can't be everywhere at the same time, but forgetting that; the Emperor to counter this urgent menace (Bori Khan slaughters everyone in the cities) decides to summon to arms literally the whole kingdom amassing a huge army. This obviously is a project that takes months (we even see Mulan taking days just to get to the training spot, and then they train long enough to become proficient in archery when they started off not able to even throw an arrow) and does absolutely nothing to stop the brutal raiding and killing, but somehow Bori Khan's plan is kindly waiting on Mulan and her buddies to train, despite being a plan based on speed, surprise and distraction.

Sammo

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Suggested correction: First, it is not fair to cram so many "mistakes" into one entry. Second, it is your personal assumption that all six attacks relied on the witch. Third, she can transform into a bird and fly; certainly, she can catch up with multiple attack forces if needed. Fourth, it was an empire, not a kingdom; a super-massive empire called China. Fifth, training a relief force is also part of the call to arms. Where there is a battle, there is death. Dead units need to be replaced. Sixth, "speed" didn't come into play in the strategic aspects of warfare until World War II. At the time of this film, they were tactical elements. Wars went on for years, sometimes decades. China was a huge empire and conquering it quickly is impossible. Seventh, you've already explained the reason behind Rourans' delay into another mistake entry you posted: They were carrying catapults and they had practiced using them.

FleetCommand

Entry is articulate because they are not separate mistakes, it's just that the "strategy" employed by the invading army and the response to it is all over the place and contradictory (1). They show and say in every possible way that the reason garrisons fall so quickly is because of the witch intervention and they depend on her (2). Catapults are never shown as being used for city assault (7), and it's obvious why; walls are bypassed, cities don't take months and huge armies to be taken, they fall in minutes (6). The climax of the movie itself happens with the invading army crushed, the Emperor knowing it, but their plan is perfectly successful, since they made it through the super-massive kingdom from the Silk Road battle, without being able to fly, simply outmaneuvering everyone with a tiny group of jedis (3-4-6 again). See original entry for why 5 is absurd;anything else I mentioned was not flavour or additional mistakes, but just context.

Sammo

9th Sep 2020

Mulan (2020)

Plot hole: There is no reason at all why, being targeted by a few arrows by unseen enemies - a fire suppressed already by the salvo of their own archers - the Rourans would turn around their heavy siege equipment, away from the bulk of the enemy forces, and fire it, hurling a single heavy stone to the middle of nowhere when they have the whole rest of the army who could storm the rock the supposed enemy commandos hide behind, or the archers who could keep shooting - again, they proved to be completely successful. It also makes no sense that the all-powerful witch who made the warriors flee managed to do any of this, 'sneaking' by horse in the middle of the steppe.

Sammo

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Suggested correction: Mulan used the helmets of the fallen warriors to make it appear that a large force has flanked Rourans. Rourans didn't expect this new "force" and knew nothing about it. They didn't know its size. And while their original target seemed harmless, this new "force" was killing Rourans. Fear and death were the reasons. What you see in this scene is an enactment of one of Sun Tzu's famous quotes: "All warfare is based on deception. [...] Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

FleetCommand

What we see in the scene is laughable, and not because of the idea, which surely is based on the profound strategic motto you mentioned and we find in many folkloric tales in other cultures as well; what we actually see in the movie, is that she grabbed a couple helmets lining them up on a rock, and she shot a few arrows. Then she stops shooting, and we see helmets knocked down in their full view. The movie truly surpassed itself in showing it in the most phony way; had they shown her shooting from behind the rock responding to their fire, or the helmets not falling, or them just shooting at mist, terrified, it would have maybe worked. It's an enormous overreaction. That and, under no circumstance trebuchets are used that way anyway. And she did all this setup unseen, again.

Sammo

In response to death, nothing is an enormous overreaction. Something or someone was killing them. They wanted to kill it, and they didn't have time for Facebook's famous brand of pseudo-myth-busting. What if they knew it was one girl shooting at them? They'd still have done the same. Being killed is a very personal matter.

FleetCommand

26th Oct 2020

Enola Holmes (2020)

Corrected entry: Inspector Lestrade of Scotland Yard says "I'm a close personal friend of Sherlock Holmes" and "he doesn't have an assistant." Both are incorrect. Doctor Watson is renowned for being Holmes' personal friend, assistant, and chronicler. Lestrade has always been a client or rival, never a personal friend. (00:58:06)

FleetCommand

Correction: In the novels he doesn't have a sister at all. Every version of Sherlock Holmes modifies the source material somewhat. Might be in this version Watson doesn't exist, or they've not started working together yet. Or indeed Lestrade is simply hyping himself up as a personal friend when they're actually rivals.

Which novels? Sherlock novels or Enola novels? In both, Doctor Watson does exist. Yes, the film makers **could** have changed it in the film, but when such a thing happens, there is both the burden of establishing the deviation and justifying it. This film rides the Sherlock Holmes gremlin and uses it to attract viewers; plus, understanding parts of it needs a modicum of Sherlock Holmes preknowledge. As such, it is reasonable to expect it to take its burden of establishing and justifying deviations more seriously.

FleetCommand

26th Oct 2020

Enola Holmes (2020)

Factual error: Linthorn meets his end when Enola knocks him off his feet. He hits his temple against a heavy and sharp furniture protrusion. Death must have been instantaneous, but instead, he lives to speak a few words. (01:39:18 - 01:39:55)

FleetCommand

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Suggested correction: He suffered a serious injury, but didn't die right away. There's no indication death was instantaneous.

Bishop73

Every word of what you said is correct. And that's the mistake! Death must have been instantaneous... that is if there was any. A "head trauma", as medical doctors call it, does not have slow-timed effect. The effects range from dizziness to more severe ones, e.g. loss of consciousness, loss of memory, or death. All of them are instantaneous.

FleetCommand

20th Sep 2019

Thor: Ragnarok (2017)

Continuity mistake: According to the previous film, Thor: The Dark World, Asgardian kings live approximately 5,000 years. (If I want to be cautious here, this statement is only valid about Odin and of unknown validity about other Asgardians.) But in this film, Thor says Odin fought Surtur 500,000 years before.

FleetCommand

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Suggested correction: In Norse mythology, Asgardians have access to the magic apples of the goddess Idunn, which make them immortal. Without the apples, they wither and die. This process takes about 5,000 years. With the apples, they can live forever.

Thanks for writing that. It was fun to read. But according to Thor: The Dark World, Odin is younger than 5,000 years. This film states that Odin has not seen the previous Convergence (the celestial alignment that also takes place every 5,000 years) and the war that was fought by his father, King Bor. He has heard stories of it but he cannot be certain. (See 0:32:00) And Bor is dead. All of these are inconsistent with this film that claims he had lived 500,000 years (100 Convergences.) Also, the franchise seems to have not adopted the Idunn's apple mythology.

FleetCommand

The magic apples of the goddess Idunn have to be established in the MCU for this fact to be relevant.

gobylo

28th Feb 2009

Ratatouille (2007)

Corrected entry: When Collette asks, "What did the customer say?", there is no ladder in front of the stove. Then right before Chef Skinner tastes the soup, he is able to pull out a ladder from the front of the stove. (00:26:25)

lrcardenas1986

Correction: There is no ladder leaning against the stove, yes, but the ladder (as seen a few seconds before this scene) is right beside the kitchen door. When Colette is asking "What did the customer say?", Skinner is standing beside the ladder. When the camera cuts to Remy, Skinner covers the distance between the door and the stove. It is plausible to assume that he brought the ladder along. He lets it lean against the stove to get the spoon from Colette.

FleetCommand

10th Jan 2020

Knives Out (2019)

Plot hole: The killer shows up at the scheduled appointment at 8 AM. They kill the idiot blackmailer with an overdose of morphine. Remember, that morphine that supposedly killed Thrombey in 10 minutes. Marta finds the blackmailer at 10 AM...alive, and does CPR on them, keeping them alive long enough for the ambulance to come and bring them to the hospital, even if in critical condition. So we went from "kills in 10 minutes, you can't even try to save him" to "after 2 hours, you are still hanging on"? (01:56:10)

Sammo

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Suggested correction: Marta injected an absurdly large dose. A smaller overdose would not kill in 10 minutes.

I read that objection before. From 10 minutes to 2 hours there's quite a leap that the movie does not explain or address at all, if it were part of the plot they should have said why this difference, on something so time sensitive (of which they got the factual details wrong anyway). Even visually when you look at the dose injected to Harlan and the dose in the syringe for the murder, they do not look different. He even stabs her with the syringe. Which makes sense since he has no reason to leave her there with a small. Controlled overdose in her veins risking that she would be saved as it -almost - happens - it's amazing he got away with it to begin with because she is so dumb to show up for no reason in a derelict place without talking to her accomplice that passed her the toxi report, or anyone.Without a throwaway line from an investigator or anything of the sort ("but you injected her the wrong way, so she was still alive two hours after"), we are just left with an inconsistency.

Sammo

Suggested correction: You've assumed a hell of a lot! Marta said Thrombey was given a dose of 100 mg (instead 3) of Morphine and would die in 10 minutes unless given the antidote. You just asserted that "Thrombey would die in 10 minutes" as if it was fait accompli, while Thrombey didn't die of morphine overdoes at all! (He cut his own throat.) For all we know, Marta's 10-minute assessment was a worst-case-scenario assessment. Fran's age and physique, as well as Marta's CPR, helped negate the effect until the ambulance arrives. If the medics administered the antidote, it could have prolonged Fran's life. Finally, 2 hours is the time after which the viewer is informed of Fran's death, not her actual death time. Most importantly, this happens in the medical world all the time: A person who is supposed to die after 3 days lives for 16 years. There are case-by-case explanations for each one, but they baffle the medical examiners at first.

FleetCommand

Two hours is not my assumption or when the viewer is informed of her death; the killer gives the appointment to the victim at 8 AM and to Marta at 10 AM, so as I said, after 2 hours with 0 medical care on her she is still hanging on and with barely a little tap she is ready to dispense important clues. I go by what the movie says also about the 10 minutes overdose time. Of course if you tell me that baffling freak occurrences can happen all the time in medicine and that very precise statements from the movie don't matter because the character can just have gotten it wrong by over 10x and the movie does not acknowledge it at all, well, that's a very respectable opinion; mine is that fiction (a whodunnit, not a slasher flick with a killer surviving multiple gunshots and the like) is not reality and it should respond to higher standards than "I guess she was still alive somehow."

Sammo

I re-watched the movie to verify that Fran was given an appointment at 8 AM. I discovered something new: The bottle that was injected to Fran contained only 5 mg of Morphine. That's 1/20th of what was "supposedly" given to Thrombey Sr. So, yeah, 10x is OK. In fact, 20x is OK.

FleetCommand

No, no; it contains 5 mg of morphine PER ml, it's the concentration, not the total. Go back to the scene when Marta "messes up", the vials are the exact same as the one that Ransom injects (obviously, since they come from Marta's bag after all). It's new for you but I covered that already in the Factual Error about it. It's something that piles upon a previous mistake. She did not give him 100 mg of morphine because it would have emptied the vial (which is more than half full) and because a full vial of ketorlac would have killed Trombe regardless, at that concentration! The movie gets both the props and the medical facts wrong (100 mg of morphine does not even kill most patients, Harlan would have not died in 10 minutes especially since he takes safely big doses of toradol and morphine), but nothing - in the script - says that Marta or Ransom got basic medical facts wrong.

Sammo

Okay! It seems mistake after mistake is piling up. Now, it appears Fran lived 4 hours, during 2 of which she was unattended. Plus, 100 mg of Morphine from a 5 mg/ml vial amounts to 20 ml of liquid. Well, now, everything you say makes sense... or at least most of the things. On the whole, I think it was a complicated situation.

FleetCommand

28th Mar 2017

Home (2015)

Continuity mistake: The part when the Gorg will be given the rock. Who had it? It just appears in Lucy's hand.

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Suggested correction: I'm afraid there is no mystery there. Oh had it until 1:16:40, at which point he throws it towards Tip. She is in no hurry to collect it, but she does so at 1:17:10. She is last seen having it at 1:17:37. Tip's right hand remains conveniently off the screen until 1:17:57, at which point she is no longer holding the rock. Lucy comes back on the screen at 1:18:12, at which point she is holding the rock in her left hand, beneath the cat.

FleetCommand

Continuity mistake: When Zola's algorithm is deployed and begins acquiring targets, we see a "grid" with the targets chosen. On the right, just above the pictures of the targets, there is a line indicating "targets acquired." Then we see the guns and then a counter indicating the amount of targets acquired, from 210,000 and up, but the next grid we see, in the "targets acquired" line says 133,213 and up. Besides, all the grids have the same pictures, but in different order.

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Suggested correction: First, nice work spotting that tiny number. However, the number to which you are referring changes four times (not once as you say), each time, starting from zero. It is not a mistake: If you pay attention to the left side of the UI, there are two widgets, respectively called "Global viewpoint" and "Continental viewpoint." Each time the number starts from zero the, viewpoint changes, meaning that these numbers correspond to each viewpoint. The statistical counter, however, increases cumulatively.

FleetCommand

Other mistake: When Zola's algorithm is deployed and begins it shows the radius which barely reaches Staten Island, however it finds Tony Stark in NYC.

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Suggested correction: The initial targeting radius shown at 1:53:27 is as you say. But the radius keeps growing. At 1:53:50, it is still growing and has almost reached Lake Ontario.

FleetCommand

Suggested correction: It's possible certain people were pre-programmed in.

Greg Dwyer

5th Apr 2017

Home (2015)

Continuity mistake: In the MO PO store just after taking a swig of oil, Oh continues walking but an entire set of shelves appears behind him.

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Suggested correction: No, not exactly. Both Tip and Oh move one aisle to the left. Oh appears exactly where Tip was before and Tip appears on the adjacent aisle.

FleetCommand

9th May 2018

Thor: Ragnarok (2017)

Correction: No, she does not. The first shot after she breaks the hammer, her hands are free. She then caresses her own hair and turns them into her trademark thorny helmet. She does conjure up a sword 27 seconds *before* the hammer but either the resulting shockwave blew it away, or she dismissed it for the theatricality of it. She loves theatricality.

FleetCommand

19th Feb 2019

Bumblebee (2018)

Plot hole: How can Bumblebee and Optimus already have the car specs and colours before they leave Cybertron for the first time to come to earth? Optimus didn't have this when they came to earth in the first Transformers movie.

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Suggested correction: First of all, this might not be the same continuity as the older Transformers films. Second of all, the cars on Cybertron might be Cybertronian vehicles. Optimus scanned the semi in the first film so that he could be a different vehicle than he already was. There is no reason this could not have happened.

I'd like to add that we know for a fact that this is not the same continuity. It is a reboot. See the Wikipedia article.

FleetCommand

Factual error: Hugo detonates an incendiary device on Zapan's torso. Zapan's cloak catches fire, which he discards. The fire should burn (or at least blacken) his organic face and mohawk, but none of these happens. Zapan emerges completely unscathed. Most of his body is metallic - an excellent heat conductor. Zapan's organic parts should suffer serious damage. (01:27:25)

FleetCommand

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Suggested correction: Zapan is a total replacement cyborg, similar to Alita. That means that nothing on his body is organic, besides the brain inside. His skin, hair, eyes and everything else of his face is artifical. We see that when Alita cuts a part of his face off. So, we don't know how fire resistant those artificial materials are.

Even concrete walls (completely fireproof) get blackened by fire. Zapan didn't. Also, fire-resistant mohawk?

FleetCommand

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