Goekhan

Plot hole: When Old Biff goes back to 1955 to give himself the almanac, he comes back in the Delorean to the version of 2015 that he left, not the other, skewed version in which he is rich. Everything in 1955 should have changed around the Doc and Marty, as the Doc tells Marty everything will change around Jennifer and Einstein later on in 1985, when Marty and the Doc go back to restore normalcy. George is alive in this future, so we know the skewed version hasn't taken hold.

calgarry

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Suggested correction: It is established in the movies that the effects of the timeline being changed are not immediate. For example, in the first movie, in the photo of Marty and his siblings, it takes some time for them to vanish from it. When Doc tells Marty everything will change around Jennifer and Einstein when the timeline is restored, I don't think he meant the future will be restored to normalcy right that second, but more after an ample amount of time has passed for everything to be right. After Old Biff gave the almanac to young Biff, there was ample time for him to return to the original 2015 before it changed into the alternate 2015.

Casual Person

That would mean when they restored the timelines it would have taken time for it to adjust again, but it didn't. The new timeline was created but the old one remained because Marty and Doc were still in the original future. However, even though they are not in their original timeline it doesn't make sense for them to still be there, the timeline should have been erased or else old Biff wouldn't be erased either. Again though, a copy of another plot hole, which one is the oldest and original?

lionhead

Biff wasn't erased, he just had a heart-attack.

Goekhan

He was erased. It was cut from the movie, but the writers have said that it's still canon when asked in interviews why Biff was groaning (and the recent spin-off comics confirm it as well).

16th Dec 2020

Constantine (2005)

Corrected entry: Constantine threatens demon Balthazar with the last Rites, so Balthazar goes to heaven where he for sure doesn't want to end. However, if it is so easy and possible even for a demon to go to heaven, why is occult expert Constantine still searching so desperately for the big way out of hell? He only needs to find a catholic priest who gives Constantine the last Rites.

Goekhan

Correction: Constantine mentions to Balthasar afterwards you have to ask to be forgiven before you are accepted into heaven. He needs to believe, it only a bluff. Constantine himself is too stubborn to ask to be forgiven and instead feels the need to buy his way into heaven, he does not believe in the grace of God (who he feels is a hypocrite). The demon can not be sent to heaven just because he was read his last rites, he doesn't believe in the grace of God either.

lionhead

Constantine himself is too stubborn to ask to be forgiven and would rather go to hell where the devil would so love to meet him? To be honest, that's even a bigger plot hole. The whole story is about Constantine being too selfish and now him being more stubborn than being selfish is the problem? I don't think so.

Goekhan

The problem is he doesn't believe in the grace of God. Thats bigger than his stubbornness. He knows he is going to hell, but he doesn't think that's fair and should be admitted to heaven regardless of his believes. He won't submit to the hypocrisy of God. He doesn't like God, almost as much as he doesn't like the devil. But naturally he doesn't want to go to hell so he tries to buy his way into heaven by fighting the devil's spawns. But he would never bow to God to get to heaven. At the end of the movie he does find a way though, by sacrifice, but an opportunity like that needs to present itself, he can't create one, unlike being forgiven. It's not a plot hole, it's the plot.

lionhead

I am really upset with "corrections" like this. With stubbornness people could "correct" any movie mistake caused by any protagonists. And it also makes no sense. I think the entry is valid and should be published without any "corrections"! Constantine for sure would believe in the grace of god if he would get some AND he would for sure get some, if he would call a priest which gives him his last Rites. Problem solved. You are creating a problem where no problem is, just pure assumption. And for sure he would bow to god cause he doesn't want to bow to devil even less.

Goekhan

The correction is valid if you ask me. Constantine specifically refers to God as being a kid with an ant farm, and doesn't really believe God cares that much for humanity. At the end of the film, he acknowledges that God does indeed have a plan for everyone and that he had to die twice to finally understand that. That's Constantine's arc. As lionhead said, that is literally the film's plot.

Phaneron

Problem with the correction is, that he escapes hell not because he has lost his stubbornness or because his relationship to god has changed (which has not). He indirectly escapes hell cause he commited suicide to save Angela from being killed by Gabriel. Which wasn't even awarded by god, only the devil was so nice (!) and asked him unnecessarily for a quid-pro-quo wish. And that's not even suicide, it is martyrdom and that alone should buy him a ticket out of hell, plus he saves a woman he loves, plus he keeps the balance in balance. 3 tickets in once, he doesn't even has to trade his soul for the soul of Isabel, he has already done more than enough. There are many plot holes.

Goekhan

You assume those 3 tickets are enough, but they aren't. All of them are him still trying to buy his way into heaven. It's about love for god, not love for another person nor fighting the devil. Plus he was dying anyway. But the self-sacrifice, not his life saved by the devil but the twin sister send to heaven, is the one thing he could do to be admitted.

lionhead

He already sacrificed himself for one sister, second sister is unnecessary. The devil's him granting a wish is just a feelgood moment for the audience to save the second sister. That's unnecessary and therefore a plot hole.

Goekhan

He didn't sacrifice himself for the first sister. He did it to stop Mammon, not for the love of Angela.

lionhead

"Stubbornness" is a valid correction when people submit mistakes, especially plot holes, because they think a character should act in a different way than they would. Nothing about Constantine's behave or believe goes against his already established character (which is based on the comics). Having him act the way you want him to could also be seen by some as a plot device and thus a plot hole.

Bishop73

However him committing suicide a second time, is an act of love, maybe not for god but for Angela (so she doesn't gets stabbed by Gabriel). This is martyrdom cause he also prevents Mammon to conquer earth and shows the love for an other human being. The one or the other way he has got the ticket out of hell already. Saving Isabel which he also does, isn't even that much compared what he has already done. So why should god forgive him after saving Isabel but not before (after saving Angela). The devil offering him a wish like a jinn is silly and unnecessary for sure.

Goekhan

He commited suicide the second time to stop Mammon because he knows Satan will show up and wouldn't like it when he finds out his son is trying to take power on Earth. He doesn't do it for love of Angela, nor would God see that as good enough to admit him into heaven (as he would still be buying his way into it). God and Satan are bound to certain rules (according to the "game" they play as mentioned by Constantine) so in exchange for helping Satan, Satan grants him a wish, not realising it is a wish that will admit Constantine into heaven. He is admitted into heaven not because he is forgiven, but because of his self-sacrifice (as Gabriel mentions, and the bible). I think you really need to rewatch both the conversation between Gabriel and Constantine at the church as well as the conversation between Constantine and Satan to understand the reasoning behind it all.

lionhead

He already self-sacrificed himself for one sister, second sister is unnecessary. The devil's him granting a wish is just a feelgood moment for the audience to save the second sister. That's a plot hole.

Goekhan

Correction: Constantine was bluffing when he threatened Balthazar with the Last Rites. "True contrition" is required as well. This is different than just asking for forgiveness, something Constantine shows not to have. Of course, the Devil heals him in hopes that Constantine will once again damn himself to hell.

Bishop73

Corrected entry: V'Ger considers humanoids controlling the Enterprise as an infection, unnecessary like a virus. On the other hand Spock finds out that V'Ger has travelled the whole universe searching for answers. Why doesn't V'Ger know that biological units are building and commanding spaceships? V'Ger must have already met Breen, Hirogen, and thousand other biological astronauts.

Goekhan

Correction: V'Ger does know this, but still considers humans (or carbon units) to be inferior, even to the technology that they created. As far as other species, we do not know what V'Ger did to them.

wizard_of_gore

If a virus told you that humans were created by viruses and in fact are controlled by them, you would find it hard to believe, too.

TonyPH

Ilia as the drone of V'Ger is asking what for the humans are needed on the enterprise. V'Ger doesn't seem to know the concept of biological units in space ships or has never wondered before even it must've seen this scenario many thousand times in every quadrant of the galaxy. OK V'Ger is a "child", but even the dumbest child could connect the lines I guess.

Goekhan

26th Apr 2020

Goldfinger (1964)

Corrected entry: After Pussy Gallore's airplanes spray "Delta-9" onto Fort Knox and the soldiers fake the effects, why does the army let Goldfinger and his nuclear device so far into Fort Knox? Wouldn't it be much safer to intercept him somewhere at the fence? He would be surrounded by thousand of soldiers either way, but without having the opportunity to plant his nuclear device in the building. The army even awaits the signals that the device is armed.

Goekhan

Correction: It was only when the atomic bomb was armed that it could be detected. If the trap was sprung too soon, the bomb might not be captured. It was mentioned in the movie that if the bomb was not captured, it could be used elsewhere in the US. In addition, the bomb was not brought in by ground, but flown in after Fort Knox was captured.

Noman

Doesn't make sense too. Pussy Gallore was spraying useless "steam" over Fort Knox, she could've taken the bomb for Bond or the government pretty easily then.

Goekhan

The bomb was not there for anyone to take. It was necessary to wait until the helicopter brought the bomb to Fort Knox. To do anything before the arrival of the bomb would have meant that the bomb would not be captured.

Noman

Nope. Not that easy. The bomb was with so many other guards.

30th Jul 2019

Superman II (1980)

Plot hole: Lois Lane and other people see Clark Kent unhurt when a taxi hits him and suffers damage, but don't draw the obvious conclusion that there's something extraordinary about him.

Athletic Jason

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Suggested correction: I always took this as an intentional jab at how the people of Metropolis, and Lois in particular, were so oblivious to the fact that Clark was obviously Superman. Still a plot hole, just an intentional one.

Suggested correction: Maybe the cab-driver thinks that Clark is extraordinary, but he is shocked in the first moment, worrying about his damaged car. Later than he realises that this guy is maybe Superman, but cannot find him anymore. Just a guy of millions walking around the big apple.

Goekhan

This would be a valid correction if the mistake said only the cab driver saw it. The mistake is claiming Lois Lane saw it. She knows both Clark and Superman and is a seasoned reporter.

Bishop73

18th Sep 2013

The Prestige (2006)

Corrected entry: When Angier and Cutter show the machine to Ackerman in the abandoned theater, it is shown that, after Angier enters the machine, he completely disappears. No duplicate is left behind. Since it is not a completed scenario, there is no trap door for a duplicate to fall in. He is seen disappearing, leaving none behind, and appearing at the other side of the theater to Ackerman's surprise. However, at the end of the movie it is revealed that this machine never disappeared anybody, it just created duplicates at a certain distance. So why didn't a duplicate remain in the machine when they showed it to Ackerman? And if the reason is that they could fix it, so a duplicate wouldn't remain, then why would they still create duplicates for the rest of the film? This little scene breaks all the logic of the film. (01:37:10)

Correction: It would not be unusual for magicians to ask theater owners for time to setup their trick beforehand so they don't give away their secrets. It's likely they had a previous off screen meeting with Ackerman where they set up the meeting we see and the trick is shown to him.

ctown28

This entry shouldn't be corrected it is 100% valid. Very good observation. I was going to write the same thing before I saw this entry. Ctown28 corrections doesn't even fit to the entry.

Goekhan

I respectfully disagree. Great observation, yes, but this entry is absolutely correctable. When we see Angier perform the trick for Ackerman, it is at a rehearsal facility (Cutter makes note of it). The trick is completely set up before either Cutter or Ackerman arrive (keep in mind, Angier wanted Cutter up front, not backstage for this trick). The trick is set up and performed in full: trap door, with the tank underneath, Angier duplicates himself with one version drowning in the tank, and the other appearing as the prestige. The trap door IS there, the duplicate IS made (and killed), but we cannot see either in this scene. We are left to be just as bewildered as Mr. Ackerman, with the true nature of the trick to be revealed to us later.

jshy7979

Rewatch the scene. It is clear that there is no trapdoor, and no duplicate is left behind. The FX guys should've applied more light if we're supposed to believe that Angier falls through a trapdoor and we just couldn't see it. But it is shown that no duplicate falls through any trapdoor. This is never acknowledged.

29th Mar 2019

Men in Black 3 (2012)

Corrected entry: Why do they have to use the Apollo 11 rocket to put the Arc-net into orbit? The MiB seem to be baffled by the task of putting something into space, but aliens in 1969 seem to regularly land on earth. MiB could easily use some of the alien spaceships to put the Arc-Net into earth orbit. Boris would be defeated then.

Goekhan

Correction: Just because aliens have been landing on Earth regularly and MiB has contact with them, does not mean that 60's MiB have that sort of technology yet. They don't even seem to use their own space travel tech in the first two movies that take place way later.

Quantom X

Probably because the MIB want to keep Arc-Net secret until it is actually deployed in order to prevent a hostile alien from stealing it or sabotaging it.

I know some say MiB-Movies are not necessarily canonical. But there were 2 saucers parking at the New York State Pavilion "the bug" stole later in movie 1. Beside of that I guess MiB could've managed to smuggle the little Arc-Net into a another more discret rocket even years later, giving MiB enough time to protect the Arc-Net plus hunting both Borises down in the meanwhile. I know film-logic and so on, but a bit sloppy writing I guess in many ways.

Goekhan

30th Sep 2018

Upgrade (2018)

Corrected entry: Grey Trace is wearing the superchip STEM, which is revealed at the end to be the evil mastermind behind the whole plot. However STEM ordered his inventor Eron Keen to do things, which got the ball rolling. Organizing the car accident, implanting stem into Grey and so on. Obviously Keen is a henchman of STEM already. However, in the middle of the story STEM is instructing Grey to visit the Superhacker Jamie, who is able to build a rootkit in STEM, locking out Keen. After that STEM is even more powerful and capable of controlling Grey completely. But why didn't STEM order his genius Keen to "unlock" everything in the STEM-chip in the first place? Codes were already known to STEM because he dictated them to Grey. The risky detour visiting Superhacker Jamie, even STEM being deactivated by Keen while getting hunted by Fisk and his men, is extremely dangerous for STEM (who doesn't want to get killed obviously) and on many levels very needless from STEM's point of view. STEM already controls Keen, instructs Fisk too and easily could order Keen to reprogram him and put him into Grey (easy binary codes already known to STEM). The story could end after 20 minutes.

Goekhan

Correction: You're coming at this from an angle that Keen is completely under stem's control... However that appears to not be the case. He does manipulate Keen and orchestrates this whole thing, but it's obvious he keeps things from Keen and has secrets from him as well. Like the fact he was going to have Gray turn on Keen and kill him. stem orchestrated the visit to the superhacker to have the last of Keen's control over him cut off so he could be fully free. Cause he may have been manipulation Keen from the get go, but that doesn't mean Keen couldn't have decided to pull the plug at any point if he thought things were getting out of control. Keen loves his creation, i.e. loves stem like a father would a son and would want to try and see it blossom, but he didn't know the full extent of stem's plan. He was ready to shut stem down after seeing him venture into more dangerous situations. And it's likely that stem was playing Keen as hard as he was playing Gray and leading him on thinking something else was going on when it wasn't. He used the situation with the bar and forcing Keen's hand to start shutting him down to give Gray the motivation he needed to seek out the Superhacker so he wouldn't lose his abilities and could still chase revenge for his wife. It was a risky move on stem's part, but it was the only way he could get what he wanted by giving Gray a reason to go to the hacker, and forcing Keen's hand into the attempted shutdown so he could have it counteracted. Keen is even seen crying sitting there at the end showing that the screen says Subject Lost or similar. Though it's unclear if he's crying because he realises he's lost control of his creation... or if he actually thinks he destroyed stem at that point but doesn't know about the hack. Either way, stem did what he had to to get what he wanted in the end.

Quantom X

I already assumed that someone would write something like that. However there are still needless detours. For example after stem gained full control over Grey (after the Hack) they still "visit" and kill Fisk instead going directly to Keen and kill him. And if Keen isn't fully involved in stems plans, why does he agree to kill Grey's wife? Why should Keen agree to a murder someone if there is no scientific gain? If stem instructed the killing then Keen should get very suspicious and stop the experiment. If Keen ordered it, then it is proof that Keen was already a puppet of stem from the beginning. And why is Keen so surprised that stem is talking to Grey? stem already talked to Keen instructing him to stage the car incident and so on.

Goekhan

As far as going after Fisk, that was a loose end that stem couldn't just let walk around. Fisk was the leader of the group that attacked Grey and his wife, and specifically the one who pulled the trigger killing the wife. First rule of assassination, kill the assassin. And as far as Keen, again we don't see the story that stem has been feeding to him or really see Keen's side of the story. It's apparent that Keen has some mental challenges like Autism but is a protege with his inventions and understanding of electronics. stem deceived and led Grey along for the whole ride like a mastermind tricking Grey into doing everything that stem wanted him to do. He probably did the same thing to Keen. And with Keen having some mental issues, possibly even struggling with some concepts or right and wrong and even possibly having some sociopath tendencies, he could have agreed to parts of the plan that stem had told him and wanted to see the potential that stem could be in a person, but unaware that stem was going to turn on him or try to sever his control completely. Judging by the way Keen reacted to Grey venturing out to solve his wife's murder, Keen is much more interested in making sure his product isn't discovered doing things that could lead to him getting shut down. He willingly hires a private surgeon team to experiment on a living person with his product so that he could take shortcuts and even talked about doing it so that he wouldn't have to wait years or even decades to be able to test stem on a living person. So his scientific gain is that Grey is HIS prototype and thinks that stem is going along with his plan just like Grey thinks that stem is going along with his... when it's actually stem pulling the strings for both Grey and Keen. And as far as his surprise about stem talking to Grey, it's obvious that stem keeps secrets from Grey and may not have been aware that stem would have had the ability to communicate with Grey by vibrating his ear drum the way he does. Which would further indicate that he wouldn't exactly know that stem is leading Grey to do his actions and thinks that Grey is going rogue when he goes to the bar and starts shutting him down. It's very likely that Keen believes that the part of stem controlling his company is the true AI and doesn't realise that stem has seeded himself into Grey so deeply. stem is deceptive and calculating, and has been with Keen long enough to know exactly what lies to say and things to do to deceive him and manipulate him into doing exactly what he wants. All the characters in this film involved with it, from Grey, to Keen to the soldiers and Fisk are all chess pieces with stem playing both sides of the board.

Quantom X

30th Jul 2018

Men in Black (1997)

Corrected entry: The Arquillians threaten to destroy the Earth if they cannot retrieve the Galaxy. But where is Griffin's Arc Net Shield (MIB 3) which protects earth from alien invasions?

Correction: That arc shield was meant specifically for the Boglodites, not all alien species. Besides, the Arquillians aren't invading Earth, they just blow it up from orbit.

lionhead

Correction: Griffin's Arc Net Shield did not exist in the first movie, nor in the second, because the Arc Net Shield was a plot device of the third movie only. There is little background continuity between the three films, so we cannot assume they share the same plot devices, especially in retrospect. One constant, however, was mentioned by Agent K in the first film: "There's always an alien battle cruiser, or a Corellian death ray, or an intergalactic plague intended to wipe out life on this miserable little planet. The only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they do not know about it!" In this way, director Barry Sonnenfeld set up a sequel universe in which there could be any number of independent threats against the Earth that the MIB simply addressed one at a time without overlapping plots. Multiple threats and appropriate defenses were seldom discussed but were just routine for the MIB.

Charles Austin Miller

There is continuity between the 3 films. Frank the Pug as a picture on J's wall. J complaining about false promises K made when he recruited him. The alien battle cruiser you mentioned. Why shouldn't there be no continuity? Who said MiB movies are standalone episodes?

Goekhan

I agree there is continuity. The supposed constant helps keep things small and reset them almost completely (same goes for the neuralizer), but that doesn't mean there is no continuity. Its also a fact J doesn't know a tenth of what K knows, including the existence of the arc shield.

lionhead

My comment was "little or no background continuity," such that there are sequential references to Frank the Pug, et cetera. But MIB3 is its own story, and the first two films didn't anticipate or acknowledge the Arc Net Shield. That was purely an MIB3 plot device.

Charles Austin Miller

But it fits in the first 2 MIB movies just fine, so its irrelevant.

lionhead

Well, by that reasoning, you could just as easily say that the first MIB film and MIB2 ceased to exist throughout most of the third film. Early in MIB3, Agent K was killed in Florida in 1969, he never launched the Arc Net Shield (so why didn't the Boglodites invade the Earth), Agent K never met J again in New York City years later, J never became an MIB Agent, et cetera, et cetera. Yet the present hardly changes at all after Agent K is killed in 1969. As long as we're "fitting" things together in retrospect, there are a LOT contradictions and continuity problems with the whole trilogy. Which is why I still think the trilogy is supposed to be a series of stand-alone films with no over-arcing continuity.

Charles Austin Miller

Nothing wrong with the timeline in that aspect. The Boglodites didn't invade earth until the present day, just hours after Boris escaped and killed K, that was the scheduled invasion, which would have failed had the shield been there (and killed off the boglodites). Without K someone else obviously recruited J, seeing his potential just as K did, as you might recall J was just an agent in the alternate present day and not seen as a stranger. Any other things that might have gone different we simply don't see in the little time we spend in the altered present day (before J goes back).

lionhead

But Agent K did not just pick J "for his potential; according to MIB3, Agent K took the very young J under his wing, giving him a specific direction in life (probably spying on J regularly as he grew up, and intending to recruit J to the Men in Black. Assuming that J was always going to be an MIB agent (without K's intervention) is a pretty huge assumption. And then, of course, there's the matter of J being the only one who remembered K in the present. How did that work?

Charles Austin Miller

Again, even though K wasn't there to take J under his wing some other agent could have picked up on J's capabilities, its not that huge an assumption. J remembers K in the present because, according to Jeffrey, he was there, in the past his young self was present when the time change occurred and therefor he retains his original self (which is just a plot contrivance, but whatever, its a time travel movie).

lionhead

8th Jun 2018

The Terminator (1984)

Other mistake: Why does the Terminator have a HUD (Head-up-Display) or a GUI (Graphical User Interface)? This is a stupid mistake in many movies with cyborgs or androids. A machine itself does not need a HUD. A HUD is an interface for humans to help us interact with machines. A machine does not need a graphical interface to interact with itself. A machine can interpret the reality around internally using machine code within its CPU using zeros and ones. There is no need to project a HUD in the eyes of the terminator. (of course it looks cool and the viewer gets the information that the Terminator is a machine, but in reality it would be - let's say - a stupid redundancy to build in a monitor into a camera).

Goekhan

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Suggested correction: The terminators are AI, since AI doesn't exist for real yet (not on that level) you don't know what it needs or how its supposed to function. Since these terminators are supposed to look and act like humans as they are infiltration units Skynet has build them to operate like humans as well. To help with thinking and acting like a human Skynet has build in a HUD in the optics so it will keep its focus on the visuals and not switch to internal sensors and computing when acting out it role as a human, that would look unnatural. With your logic its stupid for the terminator to put on sunglasses too, but it does anyway because it thinks like a human.

lionhead

Gotta disagree - the sunglasses are it trying to fit in/cover damage, not "think like a human." All "thinking" can be done internally. It's like saying modern smartphones need stats displayed on the inside of the screen which we can't see - there's zero need for them, because in order to display that information, the information has to exist in the machine already. And if it already exists, the machine already has access to it, without then displaying it on something else.

Jon Sandys

But it's not a smartphone. It's an AI, an AI built to be as human as possible. Whatever is operating its brain has external sensors and possibly an external computer telling it new data (like for example date, target location, primary objectives) which isn't directly part of its own brain. You can see that in the third movie when the Terminatrix gets confirmation about identifying its primary target, and it gets excited from it. The data it receives is coming from somewhere else and the terminator is reading from it, receiving it through an interface in the eyes. Probably in the future they have a direct link to Skynet telling them what to do and when they go to the past that link with Skynet is turned into a computer database with an interface for the terminator to communicate with.

lionhead

And how does this Skynet-upload to the terminators make the terminators more human if these information are displayed in a HUD? I am human too and never received any information into my eye as a projection (not without computers or Google glass or something like that). You are talking about simple data transfer, no need for a HUD and especially not to make the terminator more human (cause we humans do not have natural born HUDs in our eyes or brains). You are mixing up two things which really don't belong together. I was talking about recognition of environmental data in the first place and data processing of these. Still I don't see any need to HUD these information. We humans do not have HUD and are 100% humans. Your logic "HUD to become human" doesn't make any sense with or without a skynet data link.

Goekhan

It's not a simple little robot that uses sensors and act on them with a simple binary CPU, its an AI. It has optics, like I said it receives information and its displayed in the optics so it would not be distracted from acting human, turning inside itself to process it. You can give bad examples about us not having HUDs all you want but we get all outside information from our sense, 4 of them located in the head. We turn our attention to those senses when new information arrives. The Terminators get information input the same way, through the optics. They are build like a human. It can hear sound through its ears and smell from its nose. It sees with its optics, new information displayed upon them. What's so hard about that?

lionhead

Because we don't have HUDs to display all that info, and we work just fine as human. All the information is dumped directly into our brains. The Terminators would work likewise - there's literally no need to have a visual interface - it's a pointless middleman between the sensors and the processor which only exists because it looks good on film.

Jon Sandys

I see where youre going with this and I would theoretically agree if (and that's the big if) the HUD-Display would be an extra device which the Terminator puts on his head. I agree if the human-emulation-part would be mostly human and the HUD part would be a standalone extra. Problem is they put both into one machine. Which means the whole construction is not a human emulation device with the aim "developing by mimicry humans." If so then the terminator-race isn't doing well by puting non-human things into their human-emulation-machines.

Goekhan

It's just way the machine is put together. There could be many reasons for the machine to have a HUD, like power efficiency or even they were forced to do it this way since the CPU it needs was too large to fit in the skull. Instead of directly interfaced it reads external inputs through the HUD in its optics. Not because it wants to, but because it has to. Might not seem all that logical and efficient, but I'm saying there can be a reason for it. Even information concerning itself is done this way because it can't connect with itself directly. Programs, software tell it what is going on. If my computer would have optics and the ability to read its quite handy when it needs to read off other machines and programs, ones that are not necessarily connected to it. It would seem the terminator brain, the CPU, the AI, is separated from the robotic body. The only thing connecting it with the rest of the body is the optics, giving it information.

lionhead

Power efficiency? Putting information which came from "the eye" in the CPU and then back again into the CPU would cost double power and CPU size, cause you are doing anything two times. You are jumping now from "HUD for being human" to other translucent arguments. And your computer could have optics and read off other machines yes but it could do that without HUD. You only need a webcam and OCR. Reading data directly from inside other machines yes we call that bluetooth. However in none of these there is an extra machine outside the machine for the machine. It is always integrated into the machine and processing is internal.

Goekhan

Its all assumptions versus assumptions. I never said the HUD was there for the machine to "be more human", I said it was there because the terminator needs to keep its focus through the eyes to prevent it going internal whenever there is outside information. This all assuming the CPU in the brain isn't connected directly to the rest of the body, because of capacity and power issues. Again, all assumptions but what do you expect from sci-fi? Is it a mistake in the movie? Hardly.

lionhead

Suggested Idea: Firstly, I agree that if the terminator type CPU operates as a binary machine (such as a laptop or smartphone) all internal communication would be in 1's and 0's. Even our current computers, which may output hex code to dump files is for the benefit and 'readability' of humans. However, a theory: I believe the HUD on the Terminator may be some kind of 'diagnostic' feature which was built in to the original machines which were first developed by humans. I may be over thinking this (it is just a movie) however if you look at some remote operated drones and such, information is provided on a HUD for the benefit of human operators (in an areal drone, this may be altitude, heading, speed etc). My theory would be that perhaps this 'diagnostic' is an integral part of the CPU and Skynet did not want to 'risk' disrupting processes by restructuring the processor architecture (these must be built in very sophisticated factories, assumed to have remained from before the war due to the complexity of them). If I were a super efficient AI - personally I would see a huge advantage in removing it (think Windows - how much processing power and effort goes into 'pointless' graphics for the benefit of the user, such as the animations when you copy a file). Your modern computer has processor cycles to spare, but in the terminators I would guess these would be less so - hence the assumptions that it is less risk rather than just Skynet just 'never got around to it'.

This can be one of the reasons why the terminator has a HUD. One of the most plausible I'd say. Skynet build these terminators fast, not sophisticated, eventually they are all based off a human used robot as displayed in T3. All they did was improve its combat capabilities and human mimicking.

lionhead

31st Mar 2018

Doctor Strange (2016)

Corrected entry: Why didn't Kaecilius steal the infinity stone at the beginning of the movie? He was a student at Kamatage for a long time. He should know how powerful it is and where to find it. I mean would be easy to take it, because the stone isn't secured at all. It is just lying around on a platform in another room.

Goekhan

Correction: Obtaining the Time Stone is not his goal, and much like Baron Mordo, he's probably well aware of how destructive the Time Stone can be if its power is abused.

Phaneron

Not a very good correction. Kaecilius' goal is to obtain as much power as he can gets. Just stealing a side of a book compared to the powers of a Time Stone is very modest for a villain. The detail that the Time Stone is dangerous wouldn't be problem for him at all. Destruction is his business for his master Dormammu.

Goekhan

Kaecilius' ultimate goal is to live forever, which he hopes to achieve by becoming a follower of Dormmamu and living in the Dark Dimension. The Time Stone could grant him the same wish, but it would require him to live in a continuous loop or to perpetually oscillate time back and forth. Choosing Dormmamu is simply a more practical solution for him.

Phaneron

18th Feb 2018

Get Out (2017)

Corrected entry: The Armitage family transplants the brains of white people into the bodies of black people. But why is it then, that the black people sometimes try to "break through" their imprisonment? If their brains are fully transplanted then their whole personality should be completely "white" or destroyed. Where does this inner fighting come from?

Goekhan

Correction: They explained this in the film. "Transplantation. Well, partially. The piece of your brain connected to your nervous system needs to stay put, keeping those intricate connections intact. So you won't be gone. At least not completely. A sliver of you will still be in there somewhere. Limited consciousness. You'll be able to see and hear what your body is doing, but your existence will be as a passenger. An audience. You will live in... the Sunken Place."

Bishop73

Then it is a factual error, cause from the neurological point of view this is nonsense. The nervous system has nothing to do with the consciousness.

Goekhan

The film (or the correction) never said the nervous system controls consciousness. It's part of the brain attached to the nervous system that controls consciousness, such as the the cerebral cortex, or even the basal ganglia. However, there's never been a human brain transplant, or even a partial human brain transplant, so there's no way to claim factual errors as it's all speculation.

Bishop73

Corrected entry: This is the part in the very beginning when Doc takes Marty and Jennifer to the future. Wouldn't the future be without Marty and Jennifer because they left in 1985 and must have been missing all that time. From 1985-2015. Thus, there would be no way in heck that they would have existed in 2015, and no way that the 1985 Jennifer would have seen herself or her house, family etc.

Correction: This seems quite a simple point to me, but people keep submitting it. Given the non-linear nature of time, Marty and the others go into the future, but they will eventually go back to the exact moment they left and continue with their lives. Therefore when they see themselves in the future, their future selves have already gone forward, seen themselves, then returned to the past. The only error relating to this situation is that if they've already seen themselves, why are they surprised, as the future selves are the same ones that travel forward in time, but that's a whole different error...

This "they will eventually go back" stuff is making me really mad. I heard it a lot, but it is nonsense! Yes, maybe they will eventually go back (and they do as we know). But we also know that Marty (with the new wisdom of BTTF2) denies to make that car race in the end of the movie and future changes, so his hand will never get destroyed and so this special loser-2015-future they are seeing at the beginning of the movie is definitely not that future they could ever see. They would see a future with a Marty in 2015 with a "good hand" when you assume "they will eventually go back"

Goekhan

Corrected entry: Other than for convenience for the script, there is absolutely no reason the Borg needed to wait until they got to Earth to use the time vortex to go into Earth's past. They could have made the journey back in time long before they decided to make their attack, then surprise Earth with no one to stop them.

Correction: There is nothing in the movie that suggests that was their plan in the first place. The Borg cube didn't launch the sphere and begin the time vortex until after their cube was about to be destroyed because of Picard's instructions on how Star Fleet should attack. The Borg would no doubt have been monitoring Star Fleet communications and would have known the Enterprise was ordered to stay out of the conflict, thus not expected the Enterprise to arrive with Picard's knowledge on how to defeat them. Thus it is reasonable to assume that when the Enterprise did arrive and Picard ordered the fleet to attack their weak spot, the Borg initiated a Plan B, and then sent their forces back in time. The Borg would have known, especially with their queen among them, that traveling to the past would be risky for their future, also due to the unpredictable chain of events that would have been caused by them changing their own history even, calling their forces out of the Delta Quadrant long before they originally were going to. Thus it is, as Spock would say, logical that their initial plan was to attack Earth with their superior Borg Cube, wipe out Star Fleet and take over Earth with Picard and the Enterprise a long way away from the battle, his ship being the only one with weapons designed to fight the Borg. But when Picard disobeyed orders and the Enterprise arrived at the battle anyways, the Borg had to change their plan.

Quantom X

It is indeed a plot hole. There is absolutely no reason for Borg to fight the federation again (and lose again) when they have time-jump technology in the first place. The "Enterprise Factor" which changed the outcome of the battle, absolutely doesn't matter. It is a lame explanation against an earlier timejump. To be honest it is even a second plot hole (to explain the first one). Picard did not share his Borg tactics with federation long before? What if Picard would've had a heart attack a year before? The precious Borg tactics would be lost and Earth lost to the Borg. Thus changing timeline for the Borg being Plan B cause it is even too risky for Borg, well I don't know, in the end they did it. I don't think Borg think it is too risky for their own future, cause there are other Plan B's, for example sending 10 ships next time and let the "dangerous" time-jump stuff beside.

Goekhan

Correction: Picard had shared information with Starfleet. The reason The Enterprise factor is in play here is Picard could hear the Borg speaking and figured out their vulnerability.

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