Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back

Continuity mistake: When the Millennium Falcon jumps into hyperspace at the end of the film, Leia, Luke and Lando are in the cockpit, being tossed back. In the next shot of the cockpit, Lando is missing. (01:54:20)

Audio problem: When Luke and Vader are fighting in the carbon freezing room, at one point Luke forces Vader off the side, looks around, then jump down himself to look for Vader. Listen to the sound that is supposed to be the sound of Luke's feet hitting the ground; you can see Luke stand back up after jumping over the side in the bottom left corner of the screen, but Luke is almost full stood back up when we hear the sound of his feet hitting the ground.

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Continuity mistake: When Vader is seen in Cloud City, Lando says, "I had no choice, they arrived right before you did" and two of the stormtroopers on the lowest step are standing about a metre apart. In the following close-up of Lando, they are standing so close together that their ankles are touching. This can only be seen in the widescreen version. (01:25:05)

Continuity mistake: When the Millennium Falcon is approaching Cloud City, Leia's hand is on the top of Han's pilot seat. In some shots, her hand is in the middle of the seat, in other shots, it is right next to the middle.

Continuity mistake: When a blast rocks the command centre during the battle on Hoth, C-3PO is thrown backwards into Han's arms. As the wideshot leaves, Threepio is leaning backwards, supported by Han, but in the next shot, both of them standing upright in a normal way. Toryn Farr, the woman sitting behind them, has changed position as well. (00:30:40)

Continuity mistake: When Chewbacca is choking Lando, as Leia says, "We don't need any of your help.", Lando is standing on his knees. In the next shot, only his head can be seen, but the position of his head and Chewie's arms shows that he is now standing straight up. In the next shot, he is on his knees again. (01:38:15)

Revealing mistake: In the original (not Special Edition): When the AT-ATs are attacking the Hoth base, they do a camera angle from inside Luke's cockpit. As his snowspeeder is passing through the legs of an AT-AT, part of the cockpit becomes translucent and you can slightly see the AT-AT through a metal bar.

Continuity mistake: When the Millennium Falcon is being chased by the Empire after leaving Hoth, C-3PO's position in the cockpit keeps changing slightly between shots. At one point he falls towards Chewbacca (with both arms in that direction) but during the in-between cut to Leia, he is also still there (with his left arm extended her way).

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Suggested correction: And in the Star Wars corrections page, you will find that mistake with the explanation that Lawson has used both Denis and Dennis in his career.

Audio problem: When Chewie is choking Lando, Leia says "We understand, don't we, Chewie?" A shot later, her mouth moves but no sound is heard, and when she says "We don't need any of your help", her voice is heard a little bit after she starts moving her mouth.

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Continuity mistake: In the shot where Luke's hand is cut off, there's a large gash in his shirt on his left shoulder. In the following shots, the gash is much smaller.

Revealing mistake: In the first shot of Luke riding on Hoth, the tauntaun leaves no tracks in the snow.

Continuity mistake: The Wampa changes when we see it again in the ice cave. Its fur is less fluffy and its horns are bigger. (00:04:00 - 00:08:45)

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Continuity mistake: In the wideshot where Luke lets himself fall down the pit in Cloud City, Vader lowers his outstretched hand. In the following close-up, he lowers it again.

Audio problem: In the carbon freezing chamber, Han says to Chewbacca, "The Princess - you have to take care of her". When he says, "You have to take care of her", his head is shown from behind, but the motion of his jaw doesn't match the words.

Continuity mistake: When they are escaping from the Hoth base, Chewbacca enters the Millennium Falcon but when Han and Leia enter some seconds later, Chewbacca is still going inside the spaceship.

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Continuity mistake: When Luke is hanging upside down from the roof of the ice creature's cave, his legs are apart. But in the close-up of his feet, his legs are together. (00:08:40)

Continuity mistake: In the shot before Luke's hand is cut off, his left arm is bent and his elbow is positioned next to a pole. In the next shot, his arm is straight and his elbow is next to a different pole. Also, his lightsaber is held in a different angle. This is best seen in the widescreen version. (01:45:55)

Continuity mistake: When Luke summons his lightsaber back to his hand during the duel, he's holding onto a hose with his other hand. He is holding it differently from the previous shot. (01:40:25)

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Trivia: When Billy Dee Williams (Lando) picked up his daughter from elementary school after the film's release, kids would run up to Williams and say "You betrayed Han Solo!"

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Answer: The short, short answer to this is "Yes... from a certain point of view." The long answer is complicated and depends completely on what timeframe you mean by "always." If you're going back all the way to the early rough drafts of the early-mid 70s (which actually resemble Episode I more than they do the Star Wars of 1977), you'll find there's a cyborg father figure protagonist that makes a heroic sacrifice, and then another character that is a "black knight" villain that eventually turns to the side of good near the end. Just to make things more complicated, there is yet another character, a villain by the name of "Darth Vader" that is a human Imperial officer like Grand Moff Tarkin. It may be a stretch to count all that as "Darth Vader was always the father" but the pieces were all there, at least.

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(1) Now the earliest explicit mention on any documented material that Darth Vader is Luke's father comes from notes Lucas made outlining the general story of the trilogy and its place in the larger Star Wars saga. These were found in the archives for The Empire Strikes Back, but they are undated and we don't know if they were written before Star Wars (1977) and carried forward, or if they were written afterward. These were found fairly recently (made public in 2010) and as far as I know Lucas has never commented publicly about them.

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(3) One thing we know, at least, is that Lucas had come up with the idea of Darth Vader the father before starting work on The Empire Strikes Back. Something incredibly odd, though, is that the first draft written by Leigh Brackett does not feature the twist (and in fact introduces Anakin himself as a ghost); for a long time many fans took this as proof that Lucas hadn't thought of the idea at all by then, but after the series outline was discovered it was made apparent that Lucas simply hadn't told Brackett for some reason. Perhaps he wasn't sure yet that he wanted to go through with it, or maybe at that point he was thinking of revealing it in the third film. Either way, Lucas would write the second draft himself, and that's where the twist first appears in script form.

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(2) Something that must be understood about Star Wars (1977) is that it was an ALTERNATIVE to his original plans of a saga. By then he didn't think it was realistic that he would be able to make a long series of many movies, so he came up with a "Plan B": he crammed the general story of the trilogy into one movie. So we know that when Star Wars (1977) was filming, Darth Vader was NOT Luke's father, because this one movie was IT, that was the whole story. But what we DON'T know, is whether that means Lucas had abandoned the idea of Vader being the father in order to simplify the story, or if Lucas simply hadn't thought of that at all just yet.

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(2, cont.) On a side note, you can tell by watching Star Wars (1977) how it has condensed the story of the trilogy. The middle portion has the characters trying to escape capture from the Empire while one of them loses a duel with Darth Vader (like The Empire Strikes Back) and the third act is a final battle against the Death Star above a forest moon (like Return of the Jedi). The first act features a member of royalty on the run while a couple of protagonists find the main hero on a desert planet, resembling the original drafts and by extension Star Wars: Episode I. Because of this we've arguably never actually had a "pure" first chapter to the original trilogy, even though Lucas eventually had the film serve this purpose anyway.

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Answer: Yes, however, he didn't want anyone to KNOW about it. In fact, the original script said "'Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father.' 'He told me enough... he told me YOU killed him!' 'No, Obi-Wan killed your father'" Even Hamill was only told the real line just before shooting, so his reaction is somewhat natural.

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