The Wizard of Oz

Corrected entry: I have to post this to refute the comment that denied the existence of an alternate ending. I was overjoyed to find a comment here from someone else who remembered seeing a different ending just one time in the 1960s. I've spent my whole life trying to find someone else who remembered this. In the 1960s the annual broadcast of the film had hosts. I, and two of my friends, ever since childhood always remembered that one year the movie had a different ending. I've always sensed it was the year that the hosts were Liza Minnelli and Lorna and Joey Luft. We never could remember what the different ending was, but we recalled that it was black and white and that our reaction was: It wasn't just a dream that time. Now that I've read this other person's memory of the camera's panning to the ruby slippers under the bed, in black and white, I remember that's what I saw. Another commenter says that there's no evidence that the scene ever existed. I am here to verify that someone else has never stopped wondering for over 40 years about a vague memory of a different ending from one airing in the 1960s.

moondrift

Correction: This is called the "Mandela Effect" (aka 'collective false memory').

It's not a false memory, when I have never forgotten that night, only to find that someone else also remembered it. We may all be connected by our subconscious, but that's going a bit too far. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

moondrift

But the nature of a collective false memory means just because two people remember something happening, doesn't mean it did! :-).

Jon Sandys Premium member

It's also possible you saw a parody or a different adaption of WoZ one time and it mixed up in your memory as being a part of the 1939 movie. There is no evidence of this ending ever being in the 1939 version. It's not in the script, there is no surviving imagery of it, and no other record of it whether through cast/crew memories or having been noted as a cut scene. Since we do have records of cut/altered scenes from WoZ, more than likely there would be record of this ending somewhere.

I also remember this ending and it has driven me crazy over the years! I would stake my life on seeing the slippers under her bed. You are not alone, and I am glad I am not either.

Correction: Have you ever watched the 1925 "Wizard of Oz" film? I haven't watched it and I don't know its history of being aired on TV. But it was shot in B&W and perhaps that's the version you watched (I'm not claiming it is or isn't though).

Bishop73

I'd say it can't be, if you peek at it (it's available on Youtube), the ending is completely different and wouldn't fit. Fascinating discussion, anyway! To the original poster; nobody means to disparage your memory, in fact we're trying to come up with possible explanations; it's pretty certain though that it can't be an official alternate ending, because we're talking about one of the most iconic and analyzed movies ever. Now it's all about figuring out what sort of clip did they play during that TV broadcast you seem to remember. And there's a gigantic wikipedia page just about the telecast alone. Perhaps it was a wraparound credits sequence?

Sammo Premium member

Thank you. I appreciate your saying that you're not trying to disparage my memory, but that is exactly what the responders are doing. Instead of trying to come up with explanations, maybe people should accept that they cannot prove a negative, and that just because they don't recall it and can't find a record doesn't mean I'm wrong. I don't want to keep repeating myself, I know what I saw, and my best friend (whom I did not meet until several years after) remembers it too.

moondrift

Corrected entry: When you see the Horse of a Different color, [the horse that changes from purple to orange, and keeps changing colors] you can see that all the horses are totally different. One will be stocky and have its head low, and the other will have its head all collected. [For you non-horse people, that means when the head is higher and tucked in, so the nose is near the chest.] Then the next is smaller. They are all different horses.

Correction: I've noticed that too. But if this is a world where the horses are colors that real horses aren't and they can change color anytime, it wouldn't surprise me if the horse could also change shape.

Corrected entry: In the scene where Glinda meets Dorothy for the first time, Glinda asks Dorothy 'Are you a good witch or a bad witch?' Dorothy says that she is not a witch at all, announcing that witches are 'mean and ugly'. Glinda states that only bad witches are ugly. If that's the case, why did she have to ask?

Correction: Glinda states "no, only bad witches are ugly." This does not describe the set of all bad witches, only the set of ugly witches: all ugly witches are bad. This does NOT imply that all bad witches are ugly. In fact, it cannot even imply that some bad witches are ugly, as Glinda's statement remains true if there are NO ugly witches (the set of ugly witches is empty). Thus beautiful witches can be either bad or good, and Glinda's answer is no answer at all.

Correction: Ugly is as ugly does. Perhaps "mean and ugly" could be about demeanor and not physical appearance at all.

Corrected entry: While singing the "If I Were King" song, the Lion asks, "What makes the Sphinx the Seventh Wonder?" The Sphinx is not one of the Seven Wonders of the World; its neighbour the Great Pyramid of Giza is. Besides, how would the residents of Oz know about our Seven Wonders of the World? (01:07:00)

Correction: There are many points in the movie where we know Dorothy and her friends are traveling, but we don't hear what they say, because we are focusing either on the Witch spying on them, or there is a cut where they've traveled some distance that we didn't see. Dorothy could have told her friends about the land she came from during that time, especially since the Scarecrow would curious about things he didn't know about. The Lion would have been witness to these conversations during the travel, and heard Dorothy talk about those things, and it's not impossible that Dorothy would have mentioned the Seven Wonders during that time. It would be completely in character for the Lion to afterwards get the "Seventh Wonder" wrong, since he only heard about it recently. It is a common mistake for anybody to get details wrong about something they've only just heard about, and it doesn't make it an error in the film itself for the Lion to be wrong about something.

Corrected entry: As the Lion spots the guards sneaking up behind them his mouth is moving and he's saying a lot more than we hear, that has been edited out. (01:22:00)

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Correction: Not necessarily. That is an old movie tactic for demonstrating great fear; a character moves their mouth but are so terrified they cannot actually speak.

Corrected entry: When the Lion is running out of the Wizard's chamber down the long green hallway, take a close look at the face of the Lion as he is running, just before he leaps into the glass window - it is clearly NOT Bert Lahr, but a younger, thinner stand-in. (01:12:35)

Correction: That probably was his stunt double, but I'm sorry it is impossible to tell. His entire costume was heavily padded, there's no way to tell his weight. His face was a mask except for his mouth, there's no way to tell it's a younger guy. My only explanation for you is you're so convinced it's obvious as you know it's the stunt double.

Corrected entry: When the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion are watching the guards marching around the witch's castle, the three guards who sneak up on them throw away their spears and attempt to subdue them in hand-to-hand combat. Why would anyone throw away a spear in a fight?

Correction: Because they've been ordered to capture them alive rather than stab them repeatedly?

Gary O'Reilly

Corrected entry: After the Wicked Witch melts, Dorothy asks the Winged Monkey guards if she may have the broom. One of the Monkey guards replies by saying, "Yes, and take it with you." Well, what else is she going to do with it? Of course she's going to take it with her, that's why she asked. (01:23:45)

Correction: The monkey's line is illogical, but that doesn't make it a mistake.

Correction: Dorothy sticks her hand in front of the bubble, not into it.

Correction: It isn't until later when they get to the apple trees that he calls her "Dorothy." They could have been walking for miles after the song and dance before they reached the apple trees. Dorothy even remarks that they've been walking a long way.

Corrected entry: It has been said in some published works that the "Wizard of Oz" would never been remade as it is, because there are not that many little people qualified to assume the role of the Munchkins today as it was in the late 1930s. This is in part due to the availability of growth hormone treatment and an improved diet in today's people.

megamii

Correction: I don't know the exact numbers but I suspect there were no more than a hundred little people used in The Wizard of Oz. In a country of almost three hundred million people, I'm sure that several thousand dwarves could be found despite improved diets or growth hormone.

Corrected entry: When the Tin Man is singing "If I Only had a Heart" it takes a close up of Dorothy. You can see a man messing with the bottom of a tree in the background.

Correction: I looked and I looked and I looked and I didn't see a stagehand in this shot.

cinecena Premium member

Corrected entry: It seems strange that when Glinda sends the snow to break the wicked witch's 'poppies' spell, the snow falls on the flower fields alone. After Dorothy and her friends 'wake up' and make their way back down to the yellow brick road, notice that there is no snow on the road in front of them. You can also see this as they gaze off into the distance at the Emerald City - the painted backdrop shows snow drifts in the fields but none whatsoever on the YBR.

JustJudy

Correction: It's not strange at all. If she can make it snow, she can certainly make it snow in a particualar location and not another. She's a witch.

Sheridan Whiteside

Corrected entry: The TIN man is made of TIN. If he was made of some other metal he would be called the Iron Man or the Titanium Man or the Aluminum Man. Because he is made of TIN he will not RUST! Rust is Iron Oxide. In addition, Tin will not form oxides at normal atmospheric temperatures and pressure. If he cannot rust, then the scenes with him rusted/rusting and the oil can are totally unnecessary and factually wrong.

Correction: In its day 'tins' that contained food were in fact iron (or mild steel) coated with a thin layer of tin to stop corrosion. The tin coating would wear away with time and the iron (or mild steel) underneath would rust. This makes a rusting Tin Man completely correct.

Corrected entry: In the scene where the Tin Man breaks the flower pot for Lion's crown, the top of the flower pot falls away, forming the spikes on the crown. In the next shot when the Lion is wearing the crown, the base has been cut out to allow room for his head.

Correction: No, the "base" has not "been cut out to allow room for his head" because when Tin Man lifts the flower pot to break it there is no base whatsoever. Tin Man's fingers are seen gripping the inside bottom of the pot, and we see through the center.

Super Grover Premium member

Corrected entry: When the group is in the Land of Oz and are getting out of the carriage to go to the "refresh room", the Tin Man's tights can be seen crinkling as he steps down from the carriage, showing that he is not "tin", or at least not completely.

Correction: All of his joints "crinkle." Not to mention that his face is obviously not solid tin. Nothing ever says he's "completely" made of tin, there's no reason why parts of his body can't be made of another substance.

White Lock

Corrected entry: "The Wizard Of Oz" is apparently set at or about 1900. The wide rubber tire tied to a tree limb as a swing and seen several times early in the film is of much more modern vintage.

martylee13045

Correction: I believe this is not an accurate assessment regarding the time-setting, as Toto jumps into the seat of a tractor during "Over the Rainbow," also the fashions of 1900 America would never allow Dorothy Gale (or any female) to show their ankles; however it would make sense for Miss Gulch's fashion sense to be 20-30 years behind the times. Also note that Miss Gulch's bicycle is not turn-of-the-century; the Wizard states, when he was "acclaimed Oz, the first Wizard de Luxe," that, "times being what they were, I took the job," an explicit reference to the Depression, which was of course occurring at the time. Just a few observations. :).

Corrected entry: Even though he left production due to serious health problems, Buddy Ebsen actually does appear twice in movie in two different roles. First time he appears as Scarecrow (role for which he was originally cast) in first scenes with Dorothy. He is shown couple of times from behind. Second time he appears when Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion come to Witch's castle to rescue Dorothy. He plays Tin Man in all shots which shows three heroes from behind, including shot of them marching into castle.

mirtom

Correction: Not true. Ebsen was recast as the Tin Man before any footage was shot. And all of his scenes as the Tin Man were reshot after his departure. The hair, costumes, and makeup were all different from his time on the film so there would have been dramatic mis-matches.

dodgersfan7800

Corrected entry: When the Wicked Witch of the West is writing the message in the sky for Dorothy, she begins with one letter. Two shots later, the entire message is written, without enough time for her to have written it all.

hlj67

Correction: They do this all the time in movies. There's no reason to make the audience sit through the Witch writing the entire message, so if they show a beginning and an end, the audience knows the message had been written.

Correction: "The Tin Man" is merely a name Dorothy gives him when she sees he's silver. What he's actually made of is never stated.

White Lock

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Continuity mistake: In the beginning while Dorothy is still on the farm, she walks along the pig pen fence and then falls in. When Bert Lahr picks her up out of there her dress is perfectly clean. (00:03:45)

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Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
Scarecrow: I don't know. But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?

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Trivia: "Over the Rainbow", which the American Film Institute recently named the greatest movie song of all time, was nearly cut from the film.

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Question: It is implied strongly in this movie that water makes witches melt, and this is spoofed in other media. I've only ever seen this referenced to wicked witches. Does water make good witches, such as Glinda, melt too?

Answer: In all likelihood, probably not. Water is often depicted and represents purity, and cleansing. It flows smoothly, is beautiful, clear, and responsible for life on Earth. Everything the Wicked Witch is not. Where as the good Witch is pure and of a true heart. So it makes sense that something so evil and impure as the evil witch would be effected by the purest substance there is, yet not harm the good witch because she is good.

Quantom X Premium member

Answer: In the original book, water caused the wicked witches to melt away because they were so old and shriveled that all the fluid in their bodies had long since dried away. Meanwhile, the film Oz: The Great and Powerful instead implies that the Wicked Witch of the West is weak against water due to being a fire-elemental witch, which could also be the case for this incarnation, meaning it wouldn't apply to other witches like Glinda (whose element in both films appears to be ice) or even the Wicked Witch of the East (whose powers are never shown in this film, but were electricity-based in Oz the Great and Powerful).

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