Phaneron

25th Feb 2020

Seinfeld (1990)

The Baby Shower - S2-E10

Corrected entry: It's just a parody/absurd sequence, but it's odd that with over two dozen bullets shot from barely a dozen feet of distance, just a couple entry wounds appear on the body of the runaway Seinfeld. Of course no blood either, but that's a necessity given the type of show. (00:08:55)

Sammo

Correction: It's a dream sequence. It doesn't have to follow the rules of reality. I frequently have dreams that logically make no sense.

Phaneron

I know, I know, but never been a big fan of giving a free pass to dream sequences for things like continuity, poor stunts etc. If anything, it'd get a pass because it's a comedy and violence and realism are toned down by default.

Sammo

The very nature of dreams give them a free pass for just about anything. I will have dreams where I'm talking to a certain person or holding a certain object, and in the next moment the person will be someone else or the object will be something else. I have dreams where I am back in high school and the layout of the building will frequently change, or the class I go into will change subjects. If you put that to film, it would be a change in continuity.

Phaneron

What you say is true for dream sequences played specifically with the purpose to give the viewer a sense of disorientation, experience something obviously 'off', a deliberately disjointed and creative scenario that breaks reality. As I said, I am not a fan of being unable to nitpick scenes or even movies who happen all in someone's head for trivial mistakes that are not something as amazingly obvious as the ones you explained. Your examples are something the viewer would notice and would register as deliberate choice and part of the plot, but Seinfeld wearing earbuds or 2 gunshot wounds instead of a dozen are not really something I can put in the same category. If the dream scene is played 'straight', as that one has been, I don't believe we have to just assume that any take can be edited together since continuity is not an issue, props and tricks can be visible or act weird because who knows what can happen in a dream, etc.

Sammo

You make a fair point (which is also why I didn't submit a correction for your separate entry of Jerry wearing ear protection). However, the basis of this submission is that Jerry only has a couple entry wounds and no bleeding after being shot numerous times. That can just be chalked up to how his mind dreamed the scenario. I don't think a sense of disorientation or something being off needs to be established (especially when the sequence is played for laughs) for viewers to accept details like that can suddenly change within a dream since we all dream and understand that those things happen.

Phaneron

Not necessarily "established" but "with purpose", which can be seen in hindsight. Anything can happen in a dream, but if he imagined to be shot in such a dramatic fashion so many times and die, the fact that he dies with a cheap effect is hardly serving any narrative purpose. Again, I could see why ultimately the mistake could be seen as stating the obvious since "the scene is played for laughs", which was my first caveat posting the scene, the last being the lack of blood for censorship purposes. They didn't thoroughly cover Jerry Seinfeld with squibs and things like that just for a gag - explanation of the 'mistake' rather than justification, but fair. But as far as the dream goes, the point of that dream scene is to do something more 'violent' and unexpected than you'd see in the 'real life' scenes, not tone it down through a marginal detail that has a clear explanation.

Sammo

25th Jan 2019

Seinfeld (1990)

Correction: I just pulled up this episode on Hulu, and while you can hear a voice going on, I don't see how its inclusion is accidental. They are at a book signing with numerous people, so there is bound to be people talking in the background. Kramer has also invaded the signing, so it could very well be him chatting with people at the event or arguing with Peterman.

Phaneron

4th Sep 2011

Seinfeld (1990)

The Muffin Tops - S8-E21

Corrected entry: Kramer steps back out of the view of the camera as he opens his shirt, all in an attempt to show Jerry the mistake he's making by shaving his chest. Kramer laughably shouts "look at it!" repeatedly to Jerry, who recoils in disgust at the (supposed) sight of Kramer's thickly-haired chest. The problem is that Kramer's bare chest is shown in episodes before and after and there is nothing unusual about it. In fact, just two episodes later (in Season 9's "The Butter Shave"), there are multiple shots of Kramer's chest. Were we supposed to forget about this little occurrence in Jerry's apartment?

Correction: Kramer is actually showing Jerry his genitals, which is why he steps out of shot. He mentions that he shaved that area when he was a life guard.

Phaneron

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