Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back

Corrected entry: This happens after Han destroys the probe droid, during the Imperial montage that follows. In the shot right before you see the back of Vader's head, you see a wide shot of a Super Star Destroyer. Pay careful attention to the TIE fighter that flies in from off camera. Had the shot lasted for another second, it seems obvious that this fighter would've flown directly into the bottom of the Super Star Destroyer.

Correction: This could easily be attributed to pilot error.

Guy

Corrected entry: When the Millennium Falcon is entering cloud city it files through the clouds without disturbing them at all. A ship that large would create vortices and wake turbulence in the clouds, or at least some movement as the air flowed round the ship.

Correction: On Earth, yes, but this is a planet where gasses are mined and has a different atmosphere, and so it can be deemed plausible that the clouds are thicker and stronger and that it takes more to disturb them.

Corrected entry: When Han, Leia and Chewbacca are taken captive, as the stormtroopers show up, watch the trooper in the middle of the first row. He loses his footing, and one of his feet slips on the floor. (01:25:05)

Correction: Plausible human mistake, not a movie mistake.

Corrected entry: When Vader uses the Force to hurl heavy objects at Luke, if you watch in slow motion when Luke is hit in the back of his head by the second object, you can see that he flinches before he is hit. He wasn't looking in the right direction to see it coming.

Correction: He wouldn't need to be able to see it. He could sense it with the Force.

Corrected entry: There is only one Wampa in the film, although its appearance changes substantially between shots. The hand-puppet Wampa that roars at the camera and knocks Luke from his tauntaun is much bigger and has a different face structure than the one seen in the cave later (the full-body suit Wampa added in the Special Edition). When the Wampa charges at Luke, just before its arm is lopped off, it changes again - its horns are brown and much larger, and the face is completely different from either of the faces we've already seen. After losing its arm, the Wampa resumes its look from the Special Edition.

Correction: While the Wampa is eating you can hear other Wampas roaring in the background. It is possible that the Wampa that attacks Luke is a different one from in the cave. Maybe the first one is a parent bringing food for its child.

Corrected entry: When Luke gets into his X-wing with Artoo on Hoth, everyone just seems to be walking around casually and no one seems to be in a real hurry. Given that their base has just been overrun by Darth Vader and the empire, I find this very hard to believe.

Gavin Jackson

Correction: They are highly trained and not rattled by stressfull situations.

Corrected entry: When Luke is attacked by the wampa, the wampa knocks him off his tauntaun with a clean hit to the chest. In the next shot there is blood on his face.

AdmRose

Correction: There is no clean hit to the chest: it's around the back of his head. There's no clear view of whether his claw hits Luke's face. The blood on his face is only visible after he hits the ground, even when looking frame-by-frame.

K.C. Sierra

Corrected entry: When Luke is sucked through the window he isn't holding his lightsaber. Two shots later we see him clinging to the floor with both hands, and his lightsaber is nowhere to be seen on his belt. Since it was sucked out along with all the other debris, and had to be halfway down Cloud City by the time Luke hauled himself up, how did he recover it in order to continue his fight with Vader?

Correction: In the DVD version if you look to the far left of the screen (Lukes right) you can see what appears to be Lukes lightsaber among the junk.

Corrected entry: When Luke sees the ethereal Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan tells Luke to go see Yoda in the Dagobah system, to be trained by the Jedi who trained him. But we learn in Phantom Menace that Obi-Wan wasn't trained by Yoda, he was trained by Qui-Gon Jinn.

Correction: Obi-wan was trained directly by Yoda the entire time he was a youngling. It wasn't until he was old enough that he was allowed to be a Padawan of another Jedi. And even then, Yoda oversaw both he and Qui-gon.

Matty Blast

Corrected entry: When Luke is recovering from the attack of the snow monster, Han and Chewbacca come to visit him, and we can hear the sound of the door opening. However, Han can be heard speaking, loud and clear, before the door begins to open.

Correction: Yeah, well, Han is a rough-and-tough, loud guy, so you are supposed to hear him before the door opens.

Corrected entry: The 2004 DVD edition had a different scene where Vader confronts the Emperor in the hologram (The Emperor is replaced by Ian McDiarmid) There a new point where the Emperor identifies the new Enemy as "The Son of Anakin Skywalker". What makes no sense is that Vader responds with "How is that possible?" yet he already knew the Identity of the "new enemy" well early into the movie, whats even more confusing is that he knew (following the events of Episode 3) that Padme had at least one baby.

Correction: He was told Padme was dead at the end of "Revenge of the Sith", and so naturally assumed her baby was dead in utero. He never knew she was delivered of her babies before dying. He did know the identity of Luke before speaking to the Emperor, that is true, but he had a hard time explaining why the baby Luke had lived, when he had seen Padme die. That is why he asks the Emperor how it is possible that his son lives.

Twotall

Corrected entry: Near the end when Admiral Piett tells Vader the hyper drive on the Falcon is deactivated, look at Piett's chest insignia. At one point it is about 10 black medals, the shot changes from the side to show him from the front, and he has six blue medals. It goes back to show him at the side again and the black medals are back.

Correction: No, admiral Piett has 6 red squares above 6 blue at all times. In the side shot the blue squares just look black because of the lighting and angle but as he turns we see that they are in fact blue. On an interesting side note the insignia has been moved to the left side of his chest in the DVD version so here it isn't possible to see the insignia at all in the side shot.

Andreas[DK]

Corrected entry: When Luke is hanging from the antennae-like assembly underneath Cloud City, one shot shows him holding on with his right hand, the hand that was supposed to have been cut off.

Correction: No he doesn’t, neither in the original or DVD version. In some shots it could look like it but with careful viewing it is clear that he only uses his left hand.

Andreas[DK]

Corrected entry: During Filming of "The Empire Strikes Back" Mark Hamill was injured in a car accident. His injuries were written into the script. After Han rescues Luke from the Ice planet, he's put in a a a nutrant chamber to recover, after he comes out you can see the stiches on his face.

Correction: A car accident in early 1977 did damage to Hamill's face, prior to filming (which started in 1979)The Empire Strikes Back. In an interview Hamill said that he asked Lucas if the Wampa scene was written because of the accident and Lucas replied 'No, Luke was always captured by the Wampa' The "stitches" seen in The Empire Strikes Back were simply movie make-up which carefully disquised his plastic surgery scars.

Corrected entry: In the Special Edition, when Luke is falling through Cloud City after the duel with Vader, a scream has been added. This scream was lifted from the Emperor's death scene in Return of the Jedi. When Vader tosses the Emperor down the reactor shaft, the Emperor's scream is exactly the same.

Correction: This was changed in the 2004 DVD edition. There is now no scream.

Corrected entry: Before being frozen in carbonite, Leia tells Han she loves him, Han says, "I know." The script actually says "I love you too," but Harrison Ford (Han) didn't think it sounded like something Han would say, so he ad-libbed it.

Correction: Actually he ad-libbed it because they'd attempted the scene so many times, that Harrison Ford got sick of hearing her say "I love you", so he just said "I know"

Corrected entry: In Cloud City, Boba Fett shoots twice at Luke but when Luke starts to walk again, there's only one impact on the wall.

Dr Wilson

Correction: Both the laser blasts hit in the same place.

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Corrected entry: Where Luke is recovering in the bacta tank, at first the liquid have a light-blue, water-like color. If you watch in the next scene when he is outside of the tank, you can see it in the background with a deep red liquid. (00:15:30)

Correction: Bacta fluid has medicinal qualities, and it's more than reasonable to suppose that at different times throughout the process, its make-up and appearance can change. Note that the colour change occurs after the patient has been taken out of the tank.

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Corrected entry: When the ice planet is attacked, it is impossible for the Empire to drop bombs or shoot lasers on the rebels' base, due to the protective field. Why is it then possible for them to penetrate it with the invasion force?

Correction: It's the same reason as in the Phantom Menace when the robots can walk straight through the Gungans' shields. Although in Return of the Jedi Lando tells everyone to pull up and wait for Han and co. to destory the shield generator before they can advance, this just implies that space shields are different to ground-based shields.

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Corrected entry: When Luke walks around his X-wing after Yoda raises it out of the water, his jacket is tucked, which it wasn't in the previous shot.

Correction: The whole time Yoda is lifting the x-wing, Luke's shirt is buttoned and tucked in. This never changes. You could point out that Lukes shirt is unbuttoned and untucked when he's sitting down, but when they show him next, it's buttoned and tucked in. But they also show his hands up by his shirt, so it could be implied he buttoned it up and tucked it in, between shots.

Visible crew/equipment: When C-3PO is on the conveyor belt, if you look in the reflection in his head you can see the camera crew.

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Trivia: The Special Edition covers of Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back are wrong. The picture of the Emperor on ESB cover is from 'ROTJ', and the lightsaber duel between Luke and Vader on the cover of ROTJ is taken from 'ESB' (notice Luke is in his fighter pilot suit, and Vader is fighting him one-handed)

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Answer: The short, short answer to this is "Yes... from a certain point of view." The long answer is complicated and depends completely on what timeframe you mean by "always." If you're going back all the way to the early rough drafts of the early-mid 70s (which actually resemble Episode I more than they do the Star Wars of 1977), you'll find there's a cyborg father figure protagonist that makes a heroic sacrifice, and then another character that is a "black knight" villain that eventually turns to the side of good near the end. Just to make things more complicated, there is yet another character, a villain by the name of "Darth Vader" that is a human Imperial officer like Grand Moff Tarkin. It may be a stretch to count all that as "Darth Vader was always the father" but the pieces were all there, at least.

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(1) Now the earliest explicit mention on any documented material that Darth Vader is Luke's father comes from notes Lucas made outlining the general story of the trilogy and its place in the larger Star Wars saga. These were found in the archives for The Empire Strikes Back, but they are undated and we don't know if they were written before Star Wars (1977) and carried forward, or if they were written afterward. These were found fairly recently (made public in 2010) and as far as I know Lucas has never commented publicly about them.

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(3) One thing we know, at least, is that Lucas had come up with the idea of Darth Vader the father before starting work on The Empire Strikes Back. Something incredibly odd, though, is that the first draft written by Leigh Brackett does not feature the twist (and in fact introduces Anakin himself as a ghost); for a long time many fans took this as proof that Lucas hadn't thought of the idea at all by then, but after the series outline was discovered it was made apparent that Lucas simply hadn't told Brackett for some reason. Perhaps he wasn't sure yet that he wanted to go through with it, or maybe at that point he was thinking of revealing it in the third film. Either way, Lucas would write the second draft himself, and that's where the twist first appears in script form.

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(2) Something that must be understood about Star Wars (1977) is that it was an ALTERNATIVE to his original plans of a saga. By then he didn't think it was realistic that he would be able to make a long series of many movies, so he came up with a "Plan B": he crammed the general story of the trilogy into one movie. So we know that when Star Wars (1977) was filming, Darth Vader was NOT Luke's father, because this one movie was IT, that was the whole story. But what we DON'T know, is whether that means Lucas had abandoned the idea of Vader being the father in order to simplify the story, or if Lucas simply hadn't thought of that at all just yet.

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(2, cont.) On a side note, you can tell by watching Star Wars (1977) how it has condensed the story of the trilogy. The middle portion has the characters trying to escape capture from the Empire while one of them loses a duel with Darth Vader (like The Empire Strikes Back) and the third act is a final battle against the Death Star above a forest moon (like Return of the Jedi). The first act features a member of royalty on the run while a couple of protagonists find the main hero on a desert planet, resembling the original drafts and by extension Star Wars: Episode I. Because of this we've arguably never actually had a "pure" first chapter to the original trilogy, even though Lucas eventually had the film serve this purpose anyway.

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Answer: Yes, however, he didn't want anyone to KNOW about it. In fact, the original script said "'Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father.' 'He told me enough... he told me YOU killed him!' 'No, Obi-Wan killed your father'" Even Hamill was only told the real line just before shooting, so his reaction is somewhat natural.

SexyIrishLeprechaun

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