Tombstone

Trivia: Val Kilmer has been quoted as saying that screenwriter Kevin Jarre insisted the actors wear real wool costumes, in accordance with the time period. During the scene in the Birdcage Theater, Val Kilmer says, a thermometer was placed on the set, and it read 134 degrees Fahrenheit. Kilmer suggested jokingly that this was the reason Doc Holliday killed so many people: "It's just, like, he wore wool in the summer, in the Arizona territory, and that made him mad."

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Trivia: Val Kilmer is widely believed to be the most historically accurate portrayal of Doc Holliday. He is the same height, same build, and uses phrases used by Doc Holliday (eg "I'm your huckleberry" and "You're a daisy if you do").

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Suggested correction: But Hucleberry Finn appeared in Tom Sawyer in 1876 and was a bad influence on, or "made trouble' for Tom.

Not sure what this correction is trying to state, but "I'm you're Huckleberry" was slang in the late 1800's for "I'm your man" and didn't derive from Twain or Huck Finn. Twain uses the earlier slang meaning of huckleberry for Finn, meaning an inconsequential person, to establish Finn is a boy of lower extraction or degree than Tom Sawyer.

Bishop73

Trivia: The expression "I'm your huckleberry" spoken by Doc means "I'm the perfect man for the job." It is not a reference to Mark Twain's Huck Finn, as that book was published in 1885 and this movie takes place in 1881.

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Trivia: During filming Val Kilmer and Kurt Russell became good friends. One bought a grave slot in the actual Tombstone for the other and the other bought a piece of property in the town for the other. The fun thing is that neither knew that the other had bought them anything until they exchanged "gifts".

Trivia: Val Kilmer can be seen at the Casino doing his famous "coin flip" trick over his knuckles, except using a poker chip in place of a coin. He does this once in almost every film he starred in during the 80's through the 90's. It's quite impressive, and something fun to look for in his movies.

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Trivia: When Wyatt is at the train station standing on the loading platform, giving Ike Clanton his "you tell em' I'm comin', and hell's comin' with me" speech, really going crazy on Ike, he's standing in front of train car 5150 (the California police code for a crazy person).

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Trivia: In the scene when Sam Elliott is shot and staggers into the bar and falls, when they pick him up, they accidentally slam his head into the underside of the bar.

Trivia: Every line said at the O.K. Corral shootout was actually said at the actual shootout.

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Trivia: In reality, Fred White did not die the night he was shot. In fact, it was his testimony that the shooting was accidental that led to the freeing of "Curly" Bill, not a "lack of witnesses" as shown in the film. He died two days after he was shot.

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Trivia: Just before the famous O.K. Corral shootout, Wyatt retrieves his gun from home. The gun shown is a 12-inch barrel Peacemaker, but Wyatt received a custom 10-inch version from the people of Dodge City. The armourer who supplied the guns for the film could not find a 10-inch specimen, and therefore used a 12-inch version. This fact was stated in an issue of Guns and Ammo magazine. Incidentally, the man who plays Texas Jack was the technical consultant on the film.

Trivia: Billy Bob Thornton was told to act like a bully and ad-libbed his constant tirade during the poker game with the other players.

Trivia: Jon Tenney, who plays Sheriff Johnny Behan, is using the real Behan's actual pistol, a 4 inch Colt Sheriff's Model, in the film. Screenwriter Peter Sherayko tracked it down and purchased it in order to end an argument between him and co-writer Kevin Jarre over the type of pistol Behan had used.

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Trivia: When Doc is playing poker in Prescott, AZ with Ed Bailey, (and our first introduction to him), he says, "Hmm. Five hundred. Must be a peach of a hand." This quick remark references his roots in Georgia where he probably practiced dentistry before he became ill.

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Factual error: During the gunfight in the lot behind the OK Corral, Tom McLaury is firing a six shooter at Doc just before Doc fires his shotgun in the air to scare Tom's horse away. The mistake is that Tom McLaury wasn't armed during the actual gunfight. He was shot by Doc while he was reaching for the rifle he had stored in his saddle. (01:14:58)

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Suggested correction: The events have been intentionally adjusted by the filmmakers to create a coherent and entertaining movie. It's based on true events; it's not a day-to-day account of the events of 1880 through 1882. Artistic license does not constitute a movie mistake.

Brenda Elzin

Changing facts in historical material does constitute factual mistakes, whether anybody wants to call them that or not.

It really depends on the degree to which the film-maker alters the facts, and whether that alteration is glaring or changes the story line. For most, it doesn't. Tom got shot and Doc shot him. There is an implicit duty of the audience to "suspend disbelief" - an acknowledgment that it is impossible to get every small detail correct.

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Johnny Ringo: I want your blood. And I want your souls. And I want them both right now!

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Chosen answer: A reckoning is like a judgment day, exacting retribution for one's actions. Doc was very well educated and had a very large vocabulary. He was correctly pointing out the subtle difference between revenge (to make Wyatt feel better about losing Morgan and about Virgil's crippling injury) and the fact that Wyatt was bringing about a judgment day (or reckoning) for each of the men who hurt his family.

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Answer: I've spent a lot of time thinking about this very question, and here's what I've come up with. I think there are at least two differences between revenge and a reckoning. First, I think it has to do with the scale of the response to an offending action. Revenge, in my mind, is an eye for an eye, i.e, "You killed my brother and wounded another, so I will inflict the same action on your family (or group, gang, whatever). " A reckoning is less a measured response to an offending action and more of a full-scale punishment, i.e, "You killed my brother and wounded another, so I will now slaughter your entire family-including those who were not directly responsible for the offending action." Second, I think there is also a difference in motivation. Revenge tends to be a very personal response to something, whereas a reckoning tends to be more of a response fueled by a need for justice. In Wyatt's case, it was both. He was enraged by what happened to his family, but was also a lawman.

Franklin Vaughn

Thank you for this response! I've only seen Tombstone a million times and asked the same question every time. It's hard to separate the difference between the two but I believe you nailed it. Well done.

I'm thinking the opposite in terms. Revenge is "Reflexive" and is generally any means necessary (out of an abundance of pain or rage) to hurt the other party. "Revenge is a dish best served cold." If one is exacting justice there's no need to be cold hearted. Therefore, Reckoning is (to me) a fair balancing of the "scales" hence "an eye for an eye." Not only consequences of actions as it were but a corrective action to an incorrect circumstance. Just my understanding.

The problem with that theory is there is no difference in the end because the end result was the same...the killing. True reckoning could have only been achieved though the apprehension and punishment by trial and jury, anything other than that is simply revenge.

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