Back to the Future Part II

Back to the Future Part II (1989)

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Plot hole: When Old Biff goes back to 1955 to give himself the almanac, he comes back in the Delorean to the version of 2015 that he left, not the other, skewed version in which he is rich. Everything in 1955 should have changed around the Doc and Marty, as the Doc tells Marty everything will change around Jennifer and Einstein later on in 1985, when Marty and the Doc go back to restore normalcy. George is alive in this future, so we know the skewed version hasn't taken hold.

calgarry

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Suggested correction: It is established in the movies that the effects of the timeline being changed are not immediate. For example, in the first movie, in the photo of Marty and his siblings, it takes some time for them to vanish from it. When Doc tells Marty everything will change around Jennifer and Einstein when the timeline is restored, I don't think he meant the future will be restored to normalcy right that second, but more after an ample amount of time has passed for everything to be right. After Old Biff gave the almanac to young Biff, there was ample time for him to return to the original 2015 before it changed into the alternate 2015.

Casual Person

That would mean when they restored the timelines it would have taken time for it to adjust again, but it didn't. The new timeline was created but the old one remained because Marty and Doc were still in the original future. However, even though they are not in their original timeline it doesn't make sense for them to still be there, the timeline should have been erased or else old Biff wouldn't be erased either. Again though, a copy of another plot hole, which one is the oldest and original?

lionhead

Biff wasn't erased, he just had a heart-attack.

Goekhan

He was erased. It was cut from the movie, but the writers have said that it's still canon when asked in interviews why Biff was groaning (and the recent spin-off comics confirm it as well).

Corrected entry: During the scene where Marty has to duck and move past the car with his other self and Lorraine inside the car, he hears his other self ask Lorraine if she smoked too, in which she replied, "You're beginning to sound just like my mother." Then Marty hears his other self say, "Yeah right.". Problem is, in the first Back To The Future, after Lorraine said that, Marty never said "Yeah right."

Correction: We don't know that. In the first movie, after Lorraine says her line, Marty gives her a quick look and it cuts to another scene. He may very well have said "Yeah right" after the cut.

That then creates another problem. You've just mentioned that BTTF1 had Marty give Lorraine a strange look, but in this movie, he is staring out of the window.

Probably because the Marty outside the car hit the back of it enough that it created a slight bump, and the Marty inside is probably now focused on where the sound is coming from instead, and he's even looking to where the sound came from.

Corrected entry: When Marty buys the sports almanac, how does he get the money to do it? Considering a Pepsi costs 50 bucks, the almanac probably costs several hundred dollars. How many teens from the 1980's just happened to have that amount of money in their wallet at any given moment? He didn't get the money from Doc since Doc didn't even know he bought it until after the fact.

calidude

Correction: He used his thumb. We see Future Biff use his thumb to pay for the taxi.

People who use their thumbs have a recognised fingerprint with an account in which you add money onto. I use my own at school. Since Marty isn't from 2015, he doesn't have one.

But there is a Marty in 2015 with the same thumbprint that would be recognized by the reader, so yes, 1985 Marty could use it.

jimba

Correction: The Store also buys money, so he pays with money from his pocket the novel states this exact thing.

Kevin l Habershaw

Corrected entry: Towards the beginning, when Marty returns to 1985 and walks up to Biff's hotel he runs into the town drunk and refers to him as "Red." Red was the mayor in 1955, shown in the first movie when a campaign van is driving around the town square saying "Re-elect Mayor Red Wilson".

Correction: He actually says "Brett" - the joke being that Brett from the normal 1985 (the town drunk) is exactly the same in the alternate 1985. Hes the only one who hasn't changed, hence the way Marty says his name.

Correction: This is not trivia, this is part of the plot.

Greenman37

Correction: The names of the mayors are mixed up in this entry. The 1955 mayor was Red Thomas and the 1985 mayor was Goldie Wilson.

No that's the point. Red Thomas has fallen on very hard times in this alternate timeline 30 years later and has become the town drunk.

Bob Gale said this isn't true, the name was improvised.

Corrected entry: When Marty was standing outside the giant TV and the announcement was made about the Chicago Cubs winning over Miami, Marty said he put his money on Miami. He had only been in 2015 for a short time, and before that he was in 1985. There is no way he could have bet on anything in 2015.

Correction: Marty says "I just meant Miami." He never says anything about putting money on Miami. Marty was surprised that Miami had a baseball team and the old man thought Marty was surprised Cubs won. (Point of trivia, Miami didn't have an MLB team in 1985).

Bishop73

The Cubs are from Chicago, not Cincinnati.

Further extension of same joke. A) The Cubs have moved and B) they can now win games.

dizzyd

There's no indication the Cubs moved to Cincinnati in the film, so it's not part of any joke. I didn't bother mentioning the wrong name in the correction since the mistake was about Marty putting money on Miami.

Bishop73

Correction: You misheard. Marty's lines on seeing the sports flash are "Wait-a-minit... Cubs win world series." (then disbelieving) "Against Miami?" The other guy comments on it and plants the idea of betting in the past. Marty, continuing his original thought, starts to explain "But I just meant, Miami..." and abruptly stops, considering what the guy said and asks "What did you just say?"

Question: Can anyone explain why Crispin Glover was almost completely edited out of this film? True, his character wasn't that important, but even in 2015 (when he was hanging upside down after throwing out his back), his character was played by another actor.

Answer: Crispin Glover is not in the BTTF sequels (except where footage from the first film was recycled). There are some contradictions as to the whys depending on who you talk to (salary dispute, Glover uninterested in reprising the role, Zemeckis uninterested in working with Glover again, etc.).

JC Fernandez

Answer: To be honest Glover didn't like the end of part I because the McFlys were rich and love was a better reward, however he complained about not getting as much money as Christopher Lloyd and the others, even Fox. He then sued Universal for using unlicensed footage of him.

His lawsuit was for violating his right of publicity, not for using footage of him. Prosthetics were applied to Jeffery Weissman using an old mold of Crispin Glover to make Weissman look like Glover.

Bishop73

Answer: Yep, and there is, but they're both elsewhere. Doc's been committed to an asylum somewhere. When Marty first meets the alternate Biff, Biff tells him that he's supposed to be in Switzerland at boarding school - that's where the alternate Marty is.

Tailkinker

Wouldn't someone probably see Doc and report that he escaped from the asylum?

Maybe, but no way to be sure, and they're not around long enough for that to be an issue anyway.

Jon Sandys

Answer: Doc would most likely not have been seen by anyone, as the time he spent in the alternate 1985 was primarily inside the DeLorean, at a boarded-up library, graveyard, and his lab (and all at night too) so most likely not spotted by the public.

Even if someone had seen Doc, it could've been dismissed as someone who looks like him. Even if they did report his escape, someone would either call or go to the asylum and verify Doc was still there.

Question: When Marty suggests (in 1985A) that they go back to 2015 to stop Old Biff from taking the almanac in the first place, Doc says no because it'll be 2015A instead. When Old Biff went from 2015 to 1955 to give himself the almanac, when he came back to 2015 again, it was still the same one he left because Marty and Doc are just getting Jennifer out of the new McFly house when he returns. So what's the difference? If Biff can go from 1955 to 2015, without it becoming 2015A, then why can't Marty and Doc do it from 1985A?

Answer: There is a deleted scene on the DVD that answers this. You will notice that when Biff returns to 2015 it appears as if he is dying, on the deleted scene when Marty and Doc leave 2015 you see Biff vanish which suggests the "ripple effect" of Biff giving the Almanac to his younger self places everyone in an Alternate 2015 which Biff is no alive to see so is erased from existence. I have seen somewhere a suggestion Biff was shot in 1996, chances are with Biff gone by 2015 Hill Valley may have been a more peaceful city again. Hilldale was a run down suburb in the original 2015 and could have been the same in an Alternate 2015, we never saw inside any houses at that point to answer where Marty may have lived in an Alternative 2015 but perhaps in Switzerland.

Answer: The implication is that Biff returned to 2015 before the consequences of his younger self's actions took effect. Biff would have returned to 2015 immediately, as he wouldn't want to risk Marty and Doc discovering that he had stolen the DeLorean. By the time Marty and Doc travel back to 1985, the consequences of Biff's actions have solidified.

Phaneron

True, because young Biff from 1955 has to wait for his 21st birthday in 1958 to legally gamble, as explained by the newspaper Doc and Marty inspect in the bad alternative of 1985.

Answer: The reason Biff arrives like that is because Lorraine found out that he murdered George and shot him.

Where did you get that from please?

lionhead

If you have the DVD or Blu-Ray, watch the deleted scene of Biff vanishing and turn the commentary on. Bob Gale confirms that Lorraine had discovered that Biff murdered George and kills Biff in retaliation.

That info is reported to be from the audio commentary to a deleted scene, published on the official DVD. Since the scene has been filmed, it might even be considered canonical (as opposed to ideas from the drafting stage of the script which, ultimately, were abandoned).

Are those tidbits of information, such as this DVD commentary track, considered canonical?

Corrected entry: In the scene where Biff gets the sports almanac from "Gramps" Biff in his garage, Gramps gives Biff the sports almanac. Biff looks at it, makes a dumb comment and then gets slapped for it, then tosses it in the backseat. But you'll notice Gramps still has the almanac in his hands and uses the book to show the results of the UCLA game. When Biff is given the book for the second time, it is tossed in the backseat again. (01:08:35)

Correction: Not a mistake. After Biff tosses the book back the first time, it is shown landing on Marty, and we see Gramp's hand as he says "You fool.", signalling that he has reached back for it.

If that's the case then why was it edited with CGI in later releases so the almanac's trajectory appears to land in Old Biff's lap?

Actually the original entry is correct. He throws the book twice: first, he's angry and tosses it, and as stated CGI has been obviously used to make it look as though the book lands in Old Biff's lap, when originally it went in the back seat. The second time he says to old Biff that he'll take a look and casually tosses it into the back seat. That's when it lands next to Marty.

Trivia: When Marty discovers that he is in an alternate Hill Valley, there was going to be a scene with him discovering that his sister Linda was a prostitute and his brother Dave a homeless drunk living on the streets. These scenes were scrapped as Wendie Jo Sperber, who played Linda, was pregnant at the time.

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Suggested correction: Very unlikely for a family film, and needs to be supported by some evidence such as a published interview with a film principal. This is a ridiculous entry and should be removed.

There was, in fact, a deleted scene in which Marty comes across Dave, who has since become an alcoholic, in the town square. While it is true that Wendie Jo Sperber was pregnant and thus unavailable at the time the film was made, I've never heard of anything scripted about Linda having turned to prostitution.

zendaddy621

If you have the DVD or the Blu-Ray, watch the movie with the Trivia Track on. It will confirm that Wendie was originally supposed to appear as her character Linda who had become a prostitute.

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Revealing mistake: In the scene where Doc Brown is following Biff into the tunnel, as Marty starts to pass between the cars on his hoverboard, one of the wheels on the rig supporting the hovering DeLorean is visible. (01:30:30)

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Biff: Go ahead, kid. Jump. A suicide will be nice and neat.
Marty: What if I don't?
Biff: [raising gun] Lead poisoning.
Marty: What about the police, Biff? They're gonna match up the bullet with that gun.
Biff: Kid, I own the police. Besides, they couldn't match up the bullet that killed your old man.
Marty: You son of a...
[Biff pulls back on the gun's hammer.]
Biff: Suppose it's poetic justice. Two McFlys with the same gun.

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Trivia: When Doc and Marty arrive back in 1955 to stop the handover of the Almanac, there are 4 versions of the time machine in the area at that time - the one they just arrived in from the alternate 1985, the one Marty arrived in from the original 1985 in the first film, the one Biff arrived in from 2015 in the second film, and the one Doc buried in 1885 in the third film.

Jon Sandys

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Question: What song does Marty play on his guitar in 2015 after he gets fired?

Answer: He is attempting to play the song "The Power Of Love" by Huey Lewis and The News. He was first seen playing it very well in the first Back To The Future movie when he was trying out for the school dance. Jennifer recognizes the song and is shocked that Marty who was so good at guitar was suddenly able to hardly play it.

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