Phaneron

4th Dec 2015

The X-Files (1993)

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Suggested correction: These are two different porticos. The columns in the Boston picture show concentric grooves, and the fascia on the front of the roof structure is smooth and rounded. The Provo portico has smooth columns and the front fascia is composed of flat rectangular panels. In both pictures the porticos seem to be well-matched to the building structure and landscaping. It's unlikely that the production would have gone to the considerable expense (in the 1990's!) of a digital enhancement.

I could have worded the entry better, but while it's not the exact same portico, it appears to be the same building, but different entrances. The two structures have the exact same kind of writing on the right side and the overall design of the structures is remarkably similar, with some subtle differences in the columns and fascia, as you pointed out. Seems highly Improbable that a building in Boston and another in Utah that are not supposed to be affiliated with each other would look so alike.

Phaneron

It's also worth pointing out that the shot of the BYU Medical Center from Roadrunners showed the Kansas state flag flying outside the building, suggesting that the crew either had stock footage of the building, or they happened to be in Kansas and filmed the building in question. It's highly unlikely they went to the effort to find stock footage or actually went to a different building with a similar looking portico for the sole purpose of using it as an establishing shot of a different hospital in another episode.

Phaneron

After studying the photos again, I would have to agree that it is probably the same building, probably with an addition added to closely match the original construction. As to the improbability of two hospital architectures being so similar, I would reply that this may be common. I had occasion in the 90s to visit a hospital in East Lansing Michigan and later one in Alexandria Virginia that were virtually identical and owned by different health care systems.

Trivia: In the scene where John Blake visits Bruce Wayne in his mansion, you can see a bust of C-3PO behind Blake and to his right. As Blake gets up to leave, you can see the bust in greater detail. (00:26:55 - 00:29:10)

Damann23

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Suggested correction: It's not C-3PO, it's merely the bust of a golden man, not too dissimilar from an Oscar statue. There's one on either side of Blake, and the one on the viewer's right is more visible.

Phaneron

10th Feb 2006

Batman Begins (2005)

Corrected entry: When Rachel and Bruce are talking about how Bruce wanted to kill the guy who killed his father, Rachel slaps his face several times. His hair goes from falling to the front of his face to back just as perfectly as it was before repeatedly without it ever becoming messed up at all.

Correction: She only slaps his face twice, not several times, and his hair moves accordingly.

Phixius

The entry is correct. After she slaps Bruce for a second time, he has a lock of hair over his left eyebrow. The camera then briefly cuts to Rachel, then cuts back to Bruce, and the lock of hair is now pointed towards his ear. Then after Rachel says "Your father would be ashamed of you," the lock of hair is now over his eyebrow again.

Phaneron

7th Jan 2004

Batman Forever (1995)

Corrected entry: The big question at the end of the film - Does Edward Nygma know who Batman really is? Once they see that Nygma is crazy everyone is confident that Batman's real identity is a secret. Unfortunately, they don't take into account Two-Face's large team of henchmen who stormed Wayne Manor, all of whom (presumably) now know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Less than half of them were captured by Batman's underwater net, leaving several to spread the word of Bruce Wayne's secret identity.

Correction: While they did indeed storm Wayne's home, Nygma was the only one to actually find and enter the Batcave. There's a decent chance that none of the henchmen were aware that they were necessarily attacking Batman's home, just some billionaire playboy.

Sugar and Spice knew Batman's secret. They were in the room at the end when the Riddler asked Batman if he and Bruce Wayne could ever coexist, as well as when he referred to Chase as being the love of Bruce's life. The movie acts like all loose ends are tied up, when they certainly were not.

Phaneron

Correction: The novelization reveals that Sugar and Spice escaped Gotham to avoid being captured.

Joey221995

2nd Nov 2017

Goosebumps (1995)

Welcome To Camp Nightmare (2) - S1-E6

Other mistake: At the end of the episode, Billy's parents tell him that they are taking him to a dangerous place called Earth and then direct his attention towards the sky where Earth is visible in high detail in broad daylight of the atmosphere of whatever planet they are on. If Earth is visible in such great detail, and at daytime no less, then there is no way Billy could not have already been familiar with it.

Phaneron

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Suggested correction: The character is aware that the earth is in the sky, just not that he was being trained for a mission.

There's a difference between noticing an object in the sky and not being familiar with a prominent object in the sky. The show is implying that Billy knows nothing about Earth when his parents point it out to him and tell him it's "a place called Earth." This would be like someone on Earth seeing the Moon almost every night of their life and then not knowing any basic thing about it, including its name, until they were a teenager.

Phaneron

16th Jul 2008

Family Matters (1989)

Correction: I just watched this scene, and at no point are there flies on the camera, much less for 6 to 8 seconds, as there are multiple shot changes in this sequence, with only one of those shots lasting longer than 6 seconds.

Phaneron

22nd Feb 2021

X-Men (1992)

Reunion: Part 1 - S2-E12

Character mistake: When wondering how close they are to the top of the cliff, Xavier asks Magneto "How much further?" The word "further" is used for non-measurable or figurative advancement. He should have asked how much farther, as that refers to actual distance between objects. An educated man like Xavier would certainly know the difference between the two. (00:02:44)

Phaneron

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Suggested correction: While "farther" is used for physical distance, further can be too, especially in British English. Farther also tends to be used for a measured physical distance, so if the actual distance isn't known, further can be used. What Charles said is grammatically correct.

Bishop73

You learn something new every day.

Phaneron

12th Feb 2021

Forrest Gump (1994)

Corrected entry: In the scene in the club where Jenny is a "folk singer," she is supposed to be nude, but you can see the line of the flesh-colored body pants she is wearing.

Correction: Nowhere is it said she is supposed to be completely nude. For all we know, the club is only allowed to have topless entertainers.

Phaneron

18th Jan 2021

The Fly (1986)

Factual error: There is no possible method of "fusing" the genetic material of a common housefly (Musca domestica) and a human. The housefly has twelve chromosomes, humans forty six. There is no way to combine the two in order to produce a viable organism. Thirty four of the human chromosomes would have no matching chromosome to "fuse" with, meaning the physical characteristics coded by those genes would not form. The Brundlefly would be missing three quarters of his human body.

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Suggested correction: There's no possible way of teleporting physical objects either, but it happens in this movie. This is science fiction. These kinds of "factual errors" are not valid.

Phaneron

The film presents no scientific explanation for "teleportation" but does for "genetic merging." Teleportation is possible in this film's universe, but "genetic merging" is impossible in any universe.

5th Jan 2021

Common mistakes

Corrected entry: In movies in which men dress up and pretend to be women (eg. Tootsie, Mrs. Doubtfire, etc), when going out as a "woman", they are wearing dresses 100% of the time, but real women around them are commonly wearing pants a lot of the time (something the men as women don't do).

Correction: It's not a mistake for men in drag to exclusively wear dresses instead of pants.

Phaneron

29th Dec 2020

Batman Returns (1992)

Corrected entry: There are several biker clowns not beaten by Batman early in the movie, but they disappear for the rest of it.

Rob245

Correction: Not sure how this is a mistake, just because those henchmen were not featured later in the film.

wizard_of_gore

On top of that, the bikers were wearing skull masks. There's no way of knowing whether or not they were still in the film unmasked later on.

Phaneron

16th Dec 2020

Constantine (2005)

Corrected entry: Constantine threatens demon Balthazar with the last Rites, so Balthazar goes to heaven where he for sure doesn't want to end. However, if it is so easy and possible even for a demon to go to heaven, why is occult expert Constantine still searching so desperately for the big way out of hell? He only needs to find a catholic priest who gives Constantine the last Rites.

Goekhan

Correction: Constantine mentions to Balthasar afterwards you have to ask to be forgiven before you are accepted into heaven. He needs to believe, it only a bluff. Constantine himself is too stubborn to ask to be forgiven and instead feels the need to buy his way into heaven, he does not believe in the grace of God (who he feels is a hypocrite). The demon can not be sent to heaven just because he was read his last rites, he doesn't believe in the grace of God either.

lionhead

Constantine himself is too stubborn to ask to be forgiven and would rather go to hell where the devil would so love to meet him? To be honest, that's even a bigger plot hole. The whole story is about Constantine being too selfish and now him being more stubborn than being selfish is the problem? I don't think so.

Goekhan

The problem is he doesn't believe in the grace of God. Thats bigger than his stubbornness. He knows he is going to hell, but he doesn't think that's fair and should be admitted to heaven regardless of his believes. He won't submit to the hypocrisy of God. He doesn't like God, almost as much as he doesn't like the devil. But naturally he doesn't want to go to hell so he tries to buy his way into heaven by fighting the devil's spawns. But he would never bow to God to get to heaven. At the end of the movie he does find a way though, by sacrifice, but an opportunity like that needs to present itself, he can't create one, unlike being forgiven. It's not a plot hole, it's the plot.

lionhead

I am really upset with "corrections" like this. With stubbornness people could "correct" any movie mistake caused by any protagonists. And it also makes no sense. I think the entry is valid and should be published without any "corrections"! Constantine for sure would believe in the grace of god if he would get some AND he would for sure get some, if he would call a priest which gives him his last Rites. Problem solved. You are creating a problem where no problem is, just pure assumption. And for sure he would bow to god cause he doesn't want to bow to devil even less.

Goekhan

The correction is valid if you ask me. Constantine specifically refers to God as being a kid with an ant farm, and doesn't really believe God cares that much for humanity. At the end of the film, he acknowledges that God does indeed have a plan for everyone and that he had to die twice to finally understand that. That's Constantine's arc. As lionhead said, that is literally the film's plot.

Phaneron

Problem with the correction is, that he escapes hell not because he has lost his stubbornness or because his relationship to god has changed (which has not). He indirectly escapes hell cause he commited suicide to save Angela from being killed by Gabriel. Which wasn't even awarded by god, only the devil was so nice (!) and asked him unnecessarily for a quid-pro-quo wish. And that's not even suicide, it is martyrdom and that alone should buy him a ticket out of hell, plus he saves a woman he loves, plus he keeps the balance in balance. 3 tickets in once, he doesn't even has to trade his soul for the soul of Isabel, he has already done more than enough. There are many plot holes.

Goekhan

You assume those 3 tickets are enough, but they aren't. All of them are him still trying to buy his way into heaven. It's about love for god, not love for another person nor fighting the devil. Plus he was dying anyway. But the self-sacrifice, not his life saved by the devil but the twin sister send to heaven, is the one thing he could do to be admitted.

lionhead

He already sacrificed himself for one sister, second sister is unnecessary. The devil's him granting a wish is just a feelgood moment for the audience to save the second sister. That's unnecessary and therefore a plot hole.

Goekhan

He didn't sacrifice himself for the first sister. He did it to stop Mammon, not for the love of Angela.

lionhead

"Stubbornness" is a valid correction when people submit mistakes, especially plot holes, because they think a character should act in a different way than they would. Nothing about Constantine's behave or believe goes against his already established character (which is based on the comics). Having him act the way you want him to could also be seen by some as a plot device and thus a plot hole.

Bishop73

However him committing suicide a second time, is an act of love, maybe not for god but for Angela (so she doesn't gets stabbed by Gabriel). This is martyrdom cause he also prevents Mammon to conquer earth and shows the love for an other human being. The one or the other way he has got the ticket out of hell already. Saving Isabel which he also does, isn't even that much compared what he has already done. So why should god forgive him after saving Isabel but not before (after saving Angela). The devil offering him a wish like a jinn is silly and unnecessary for sure.

Goekhan

He commited suicide the second time to stop Mammon because he knows Satan will show up and wouldn't like it when he finds out his son is trying to take power on Earth. He doesn't do it for love of Angela, nor would God see that as good enough to admit him into heaven (as he would still be buying his way into it). God and Satan are bound to certain rules (according to the "game" they play as mentioned by Constantine) so in exchange for helping Satan, Satan grants him a wish, not realising it is a wish that will admit Constantine into heaven. He is admitted into heaven not because he is forgiven, but because of his self-sacrifice (as Gabriel mentions, and the bible). I think you really need to rewatch both the conversation between Gabriel and Constantine at the church as well as the conversation between Constantine and Satan to understand the reasoning behind it all.

lionhead

He already self-sacrificed himself for one sister, second sister is unnecessary. The devil's him granting a wish is just a feelgood moment for the audience to save the second sister. That's a plot hole.

Goekhan

Correction: Constantine was bluffing when he threatened Balthazar with the Last Rites. "True contrition" is required as well. This is different than just asking for forgiveness, something Constantine shows not to have. Of course, the Devil heals him in hopes that Constantine will once again damn himself to hell.

Bishop73

16th Dec 2020

Countdown (2019)

Stupidity: Dr. Sullivan not only put unwelcome moves on Quinn, he mentioned the good or lush letter of recommendation he wrote for her - implying he deserved or was entitled to a sexual favor in return. For "Doctor" Sullivan to do and say what he did in this day and age isn't merely a "character mistake", it is outright stupidity. (00:25:50)

KeyZOid

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Suggested correction: Stupidity entries are not for when characters do something stupid, otherwise everything in "Dumb and Dumber" would be mistakes. Stupidities are minor plot holes that extend beyond character mistakes. The fact that in real life people in power behave this way means it's something the character of Dr. Sullivan could do.

Bishop73

Dumb and Dumber is supposed to be stupid; a medical doctor is not.

KeyZOid

You missed the point entirely. It's not a stupidity that a man in power thinks he can get away with sexual harassment, despite being a doctor.

Bishop73

I didn't assert that he thought he could get away with it - he was being stupid for even saying such a thing.

KeyZOid

Regardless of if you asserted it or not, unless someone thinks it's not wrong, people do questionable or illegal things because they think they can get away with it. But characters are allowed to do stupid things without it always being a minor plot hole (i.e. a stupidity). A quick news search of doctors accused of sexual harassment will show half a dozen stories this year alone, showing that doctors in real life act this way, therefore, it's not a mistake for a character to do it.

Bishop73

It is still stupidity... and the doctors in your search were also stupid.

KeyZOid

I'm not sure how you're not getting this, or if you're being pedantic on purpose. There was no plot hole for his actions. Therefore, no mistake exist and the correction is valid. Being stupid isn't a valid stupidity entry. Being stupid to serve the plot is though (e.g. writing a drug name on the arm instead of telling someone your plan). People submit mistakes incorrectly and as long as it's not wildly inappropriate or nonsensical, it will be posted. Which is why there is the option to submit a correction. To clarify, being stupid, not a mistake. A character doing something they wouldn't (possibly because of the writer's lack of knowledge), character mistake. A character doing something that doesn't make sense that mildly serves the plot, stupidity. Something done that contradicts the plot or what's been established in-film, plot hole.

Bishop73

I'm willing to modify "stupidity" to "utter stupidity." [I'm too ignorant to be insulted.].

KeyZOid

Then you're on the wrong site and you should create your own site.

Bishop73

I'd like a second opinion.

KeyZOid

I'll give my opinion and I agree with Bishop73. This sounds more like a character exerting hubris than stupidity. If he sexually harassed an underling in front an attorney or a judge, or even other employees, then I think it would rise to the level of being a stupidity. The current President of the United States has openly admitted to sexually assaulting women, and he did so out of hubris because as he claims, his celebrity status gives him carte blanche to do so.

Phaneron

Sorry to say I concur with Bishop73, in that people do stupid things all the time in films, and we can't list them all! The stupidity section is just for plot-related issues - sort of "movie logic" things, like running upstairs in a horror film when they should run out the door. Yes people might do that in reality, which would be stupid, but they do it in a movie solely because it helps the plot / narrative. It's not strictly a plot hole, and it's arguably even a "mistake", which is why they're listed separately. In this case yes what he does is stupid, but it's a stupid thing which people in authority in reality do often, it's not solely an unreasonable or unlikely stupid action for the sake of the plot, if that makes sense. I've also realised that's not made clear when submitting a "stupidity", which is an oversight on my part - I'll amend that.

Jon Sandys

26th Nov 2020

Boyhood (2014)

Stupidity: Liv was a graduate psychology student when she met Bill and, after marriage and being physically abused, knew that the leaving Bill put her in a (potentially) very dangerous situation. It is best if the abuser does not know where the victim is "hiding" after separation, but Liv brought along Carol to pick up the kids - and they were going to be staying at Carol's house.

KeyZOid

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Suggested correction: She brought Carol along as a chaperone/protection when she picked up her kids. She didn't announce to Bill that that would be where she was going to be staying, she only told her kids that when they had already driven away from the house. Bill didn't seem to know who Carol was anyway. Even if he did manage to find out where she went, she could have easily got a restraining order against him.

Phaneron

It is more likely that she brought Carol along for emotional support and to act as a witness. If she were looking for protection, she would have used a police escort. It was implied they were going to be staying at Carol's, but, even if not, Carol's presence offered Bill a hint of where to start looking for Liv, and there should not be any leads. Liv unwittingly put Carol in a potentially dangerous situation - if Bill went to Carol's looking for Liv, and Carol truly did not know where she went, Bill would insist that she did and threaten or do worse if Carol didn't tell him. Remember how Bill drilled all the kids about where Liv went, checked their phones, accused Sam of knowing more, then got them into the car and drove like a maniac? Bill has a temper and propensity toward violence (at least when drinking, which he did everyday). Court orders take time to get, but are not very effective. Numerous women who had restraining orders against abusers ended up six feet under.

KeyZOid

11th Dec 2020

American Psycho (2000)

Revealing mistake: When Patrick opens his fridge to offer Jean some sorbet, you can see the decapitated head of a woman in the fridge. If you pay close attention, you can see the head is moving a little. (00:59:36)

Jack Vaughan

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Suggested correction: It's a prop head resting on a freezer shelf. It could simply be that opening the freezer door causes the head to sway a little, similar to if you had an egg, lemon, or something else that didn't have a flat bottom resting on a shelf inside a fridge.

Phaneron

No, the way it was filmed was with the actual actress putting her head up through a hole in shelf. It's her head moving.

Jack Vaughan

8th Dec 2020

Liar Liar (1997)

Corrected entry: When he tells Greta that he would have got the burglar 10 grand, she storms off, and he says: wait I didn't understand the question, which is a lie, and he apparently can't do that.

Correction: He's not lying. When she asked him if that's justice, his history as a slimy lawyer at first made him think that she was asking if the settlement the burglar got was fair.

Phaneron

8th Dec 2020

Constantine (2005)

Corrected entry: There is no reason for Lucifer to grant John a wish. The devil is neither a nice guy nor a Jinn, and he already got what was "in the pot." Of course Constantine was very helpful to him (commiting suicide to signal the devil that his son is revolting against him), but the devil for sure would just take "the gift", only sarcastically saying "thank you." Realistically it would end with twin-sister Isabel staying in hell and maybe John going to heaven because his suicide rescued Angela from getting stabbed by Gabriel and threw back Mammon in hell, a godly sacrifice.

Goekhan

Correction: This is something you think the movie should have done differently. It's not a plot hole.

Phaneron

28th Nov 2020

The Punisher (2004)

Character mistake: When Howard's men bail the guy out who was with Bobby Saint at the arms deal, they are beating him up in Saint's club. Howard Saint (John Travolta) shoots the man responsible for not watching his son. The man fall down to his knees and then says the name John instead of Howard.

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Suggested correction: John is the name of Howard's other son, who is also in the room. Bobby told the man to stay behind, and John was there when it happened, so he was asking John to vouch for him to Howard. This scene actually appears in the extended cut of the film.

Phaneron

Corrected entry: When Gilbert is telling about the family and Endora at the beginning of the movie, he says that his father hung himself 17 years earlier. Yet, just seconds earlier he says he has a sister that has just turned 15. How did he father a child born two years after his death? There's no implication that she's a half-sister or adopted. (00:04:50)

Correction: Later in the movie, the truth comes out as Gilbert tells his girlfriend that his father just walked out and never came back.

The dialogue in the scene in question suggests that their father walked out, but later returned to their house to commit suicide. Gilbert specifically says "He was just hangin' there." We also see Arnie sitting next to his father's grave at Ken Carver's funeral, with his date of death reading October 13, 1978. If we assume the movie takes place in 1993, then that actually allows for Ellen to have been conceived or even been born before the father's death, though it would render Gilbert's statement that he died 17 years earlier a character mistake.

Phaneron

Correction: Amy could be close to turning 16, and Gilbert could have rounded up on the years his father's been deceased. Maybe it was 16 years and 7 months, so he just said 17.

14th Jul 2018

Breaking Bad (2008)

Dead Freight - S5-E5

Plot hole: Preparing to steal methylamine from the train, Walt, Jesse and Mike measure off a predetermined distance from the railroad crossing, which happens to coincide with a handy arroyo, where they bury their tanks. Problem is that they couldn't have known that distance (calculated by knowing the position of the methylamine tanker car in the train) until Lydia told them. But she didn't call that info in until the night after they'd already buried the tanks.

Rattletrap

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Suggested correction: They were counting on the tankers being at the back of the train, far enough away and at a curved angle so that the conductors wouldn't see them, and the hoses they were using would have been long enough to reach the tankers on either side of the one they stole from. Their heist hinged on a lot of educated guesses and luck, especially because they would have had to abort if the tanker was at the front of the train, but being lucky doesn't make it a plot hole.

Phaneron

I'd have to respectfully disagree. When they paced off the distance to the trestle over the arroyo, they had a particular number in mind (814). It's not explained whether this number represented knowledge of how far back the tank car would be if the engine stopped at the crossing. But if it did, how could they have known that? Not even Lydia knew until much later. And why would they assume the tank car would be toward the back of the train? Lydia doesn't mention that. When she calls Walt, all she says is, "I've got it." And even if she were to tell him, at that point everything's in place for the heist to happen at the location where the tank are buried.

Rattletrap

IIRC the crew contacted an expert on hazardous materials shipping for advice on the scene. Rail guidelines require tankers containing hazardous materials are at a minimum "six-deep", that is, six cars away from the engine. Lydia probably told them in advance how long the train would be in terms of cars, so they had a rough guideline for which three or four tankers could possibly contain the methylamine. From there, it seems like their hoses were long enough to get to any of the other cars.

The 814 feet was to ensure that the spot they chose would be far enough away from the conductors so as to not be seen. And they weren't assuming the tankers would be at the back, they were just hoping they would be. As I mentioned, if the tankers were at the front, they wouldn't have been able to move forward with the mission. Lydia told them they would only have 6 hours to prepare for the heist after she told them where the tanker would be. That wouldn't have been enough time for them to get an excavator out there and dig the holes for their own tanks to transfer the methylamine into, so they had to guess the best spot to do it ahead of time and hope that's where it would end up being.

Phaneron

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