Down Periscope

Down Periscope (1996)

23 corrected entries

Corrected entry: This movie appears to take place in 1996. The first production Seawolf-class submarine was launched in 1998.

Correction: COs are usually assigned as part of a precomissioning crew so its not unlikely that Dodge would have found himself being posted to a vessel still being built. The Seawolf was itself launched in June 24, 1995, and was commissioned in July 19, 1998. Meaning Dodge was set to oversee the final stages of his submarine being built.

Corrected entry: The qualification badge of Lt. Lake's uniforms through most of the movie is that of a surface warfare officer. At the end of the movie she finally wears the correct qualification badge, the submarine warfare badge or commonly called "dolphins."

Correction: Submariners cannot become "qualified" until they have gone to sea on a submarine. Once at sea, Lake could have been awarded her Dolphins, and been authorized to wear the insignia. Until then, she wore her previously authorized Surface Warfare insignia.

Corrected entry: Nitro could not have operated as a connection for the radio circuit. The human body is not conductive enough.

Correction: Modern solid-state electronics use low voltage / low current connections. But the tube radios of WWII used much higher voltage and current loop circuits, which conceivably might be conducted along the skin (although I've never tried it, myself).

Corrected entry: The salute that Stepanek gives his father is incorrect. A proper U.S. military salute does not show the back of the hand; it shows it palm-down, angled slightly to the temple.

Correction: The military salute is intended to be the same for all services. In reality, the Navy and Marines have similar salutes which differ slightly from those is use by Army and Air Force personnel. Stepanek's childhood allowed him to learn proper Naval policies and protocols, including the art of saluting which he intentionally undermined just enough to manipulate BUPERSMAN into issuing separation orders. With new-found respect for his father, he executes a sharp salute that any sailor would recognize as proper form. The palm is angled inward so that it is visible in the right eye's periphery. My company commander taught us that a good Navy salute starts was a motion that looks like you are throwing scrambled eggs at your face. By default, this will always expose the back of the hand to the recipient.

Corrected entry: As the crew leaves the Stingray in dress uniform near the end, Lieutenant Lake's Mary-Jane style heels are completely non-regulation. While many of the crew are misfits and don't properly wear the uniform (or cut their hair) anyway, Lake was a "by-the-book" officer consistently through the whole film. United States Code Title 10 > Subtitle A > Part II > Chapter 45 > Section 772 > Statute F specifically allows that "While portraying a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion-picture production may wear the uniform of that armed force if the portrayal does not tend to discredit that armed force" so the argument that actual uniforms cannot be worn in movies does not apply (here or ever).

Correction: While Lt. Lake was by-the-book in the beginning; she became noticeably more easy going as the movie progressed. Evidence for this is in a few places like when she says "Balls to the walls boys" while steering the sub in a risky maneuver. Also she kisses Dodge to thank him. As to how the heels got packed into her luggage; we can't know her thinking but it would seem reasonable to conclude, that she had them there for a possible shore leave.

Corrected entry: Martin Pascal's index finger goes from the lid of coffee to the side of can a couple of times while yelling at Buckman.

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Correction: The part of the coffee can where Martin Pascals index finger is on the lid is out of frame in some of the shots, however when the frame returns to include the finger; it is in the same place as before.

Corrected entry: When Dodge looks through the periscope it shows a plane heading towards the "periscope" and the shot follows the plane. There's no way a periscope could get that kind of shot. The periscope is made to look at the surface of the water, not follow aircraft.

poehitman

Correction: Submarine periscopes can elevate to look at planes and helicopters. In fact it's practice to look for any when at periscope depth.

Corrected entry: When the Stingray is entering the Denali's propwash, Lake informs the captain that they need to steer right. She assumes the conn, orders hard right rudder, then back 2/3rds. Right rudder in reverse would point the nose to the left, a situation they specifically wanted to avoid.

Correction: Except they're not going backwards, they're simply slowing down the sub to maneuver better.

LorgSkyegon

Corrected entry: There are numerous references to the word "quadrant," being substituted for "region." A quadrant is one-fourth of something. It is not a generic, military-sounding name for a region.

Correction: The Stingray is confined to a containment zone for the duration of the exercise. As Graham had cut the zone in half by removing two sections, the zone had obviously been sectioned into quadrants.

LorgSkyegon

Corrected entry: In the credits there is a name for a singing waitress named Annie Talbot. As far as I can tell, there is no singing waitress in this movie.

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Correction: Often if a person worked on the film, they will get their name in the credits even if the scene was cut. She's in the out takes singing "In the Navy".

Corrected entry: When Admiral Graham and Admiral Winslow are in Charleston harbor waiting for Commander Dodge to arrive, Admiral Graham states that he's in line for a third star. Admiral Winslow then replies that this would no longer make him outrank Graham. Admiral Winslow's uniform has three stars on it, so if Admiral Graham did receive a third star, this would mean that he wouldn't outrank Admiral Winslow but that they would both have the same rank.

Correction: Exactly - that was Winslow's point. "Oh my god! I'll no longer outrank you." He never implies Graham will outrank him.

MasterOfAll

Corrected entry: When the Admirals are going over Dodge's FitRep, Admiral Graham states that Dodge received his tattoo as an ensign. However it is also stated in other scenes that it happened after the Murmansk incident three years ago. One does not go from ensign to Lt. Commander in only three years.

Correction: Commander Dodge only says that after the Mermansk brushing incident he got "a" tattoo. He could easily have more than one.

LorgSkyegon

Corrected entry: Near the end of the movie, the Stingray surfaces to run on top as it approaches the target ship. At some point afterwards, Dodge decides to take a shot at the ship with two torpedoes. Dodge is using the periscope to get the range, etc. to the target, and then fires the torpedoes. First, wouldn't they be on the bridge (outside) if they were running on the surface? And second, wouldn't the torpedoes be running near the surface of the water if they had been fired from a sub that was on the surface, instead of what appears to be deep water? In both cases it appears as if the Stingray were submerged when they fired the torpedoes, not running on top as it showed prior to firing the torpedoes. No order was given to "dive" before this series of events.

Correction: First, it is a character choice on Dodge's part not to go topside. The time and confusion created by the move would probably not be worth the advantages (if any) of changing locations. Second, even though the Stingray is running on the surface, at least four of her six forward torpedo tubes are still submerged. Therefore, torpedoes fired underwater make perfect sense. In addition, if they were fired in "deep water" the torpedoes would pass under the target ship.

Guy

Corrected entry: In the scene when Pascal is being made to walk the plank, Lake seems surprised that he fell onto a fishing boat. Given her position on deck, she should have seen that the boat saw moored along side.

Correction: When we see the shot from on the deck, we as an audience cannot see the tiny ship, so it would stand to reason that she couldn't either from her position. Also, she may have just arrived on deck, as she might not have necessarily been out there the whole time.

Jazetopher

Corrected entry: When they're at the bottom of the ocean running silent, look behind Jackson. The gauge reads 17ft salt water depth to keel. That can't be if they're at the bottom.

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Correction: On a Balao class submarine the planes station has two depth indicators. The "shallow" goes to 160 feet and is used for fine control near the surface. The "deep" goes much deeper. When the boat is deeper than 150 feet, the "shallow" gauge is isolated and vented to prevent damage. Image at:http://www.maritime.org/fleetsub/img/fig14-1.jpgThe shallow gauge could be reading 17 feet with the boat much deeper.

Corrected entry: The main character's name is Tom Dodge, and this is maintained throughout the film. On the back of the DVD case (Australian version, not sure on other countries), the character is called John Dodge.

Correction: He remains Tom Dodge throughout the movie. It is not really a movie mistake if the distributors for Australia get the name wrong on the DvD case.

Zwn Annwn

Corrected entry: Stan Sylvesterson is talking to Jackson about Jackson playing in a basketball game against the Army. If Jackson played basketball for the Navy, he would have been at the Academy thus making him an officer by now and not enlisted.

Correction: Being at the Academy doesn't mean he passed. There is a 30% failure and dropout rate, after all.

Corrected entry: The Stingray, the diesel sub in the movie, is supposed to be the SS-161 Stingray and is even painted as such. The real Stingray was SS-186 Decommissioned, 17 October 1945, at Philadelphia Navy Yard, Philadelphia, PA.; Struck from the Naval Register, 3 July 1946; Final Disposition, sold for scrapping in 1947. Source: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08186.htm

Correction: Nice piece of Trivia but since the actual Stingray no longer exists, they had to use the closest thing available. If they tried to say they used the actual Stingray, then it would be a mistake. But since they didn't, this is only historical trivia.

Corrected entry: When Stapanak gets to the engine room you can see that the rocker arms are not moving, But yet they are moving fast up to the tanker.

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Correction: When underwater Diesel/Electric Subs secure the diesel engines and run on their batteries and electric motors. Since the diesel engines are shut down, one would not expect the rocker arms to be moving.

Corrected entry: Captain Dodge, rather than talk to Admiral Graham over the radio, won a radio call-in contest. However, a ship's radio operates on a different set of frequencies than cellular phones, which was presumably the mistake made. Besides, the radio was manufactured, presumably, for the 1958 refit - it would not have had the electronics to be carried as a cell phone conversation.

Correction: The 'radio call-in' contest is not really taking place, as shown by Dodge's statement just after the "We just won free tickets ..." was said, which is, "Nitro, you want to get me Admiral Graham now?" He is just messing with Nitro's head.

Corrected entry: In the shot where Marty Pascal gets blown off the deck by the hose: when he falls into the water you can see two heads bobbing next to the hull.

Correction: The first mission of the crew of the Stingray was to get her back into shape. They had to to clean and repair the whole submarine. It is entirely likely the two crew members were in the water working on the hull.

Corrected entry: During the beginning of the movie, Dodge is referred to as Captain by both of the admirals. When 'Captain' Dodge is meeting his crew for the first time, he introduces himself to his XO as 'Lt. Commander Dodge'. At the end of the movie, the 3-star Admiral addresses Dodge as 'Commander Dodge'. To the best of my knowledge, Lt. Commander, Commander and Captain are three different ranks.

Correction: The Admirals are addressing Dodge as the captain of a ship, not a Captain in rank (in the US Navy, all ship commanders are referred to as captain, no matter what their rank). And while it is true that Lt. Commander and Commander are different ranks, the title "commander" is interchangeable (as is the practice of calling a Lt. Colonel "colonel").

Bruce

Corrected entry: When Capt. Dodge enters the Vice Admiral's office at the beginning of the movie, he salutes. Navy sailors do not salute indoors or uncovered.

Correction: When first reporting to a duty station or when summoned to a superior's office, a salute indoors is appropriate.

Grumpy Scot

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