Avengers: Endgame

Avengers: Endgame (2019)

18 commented-on entries since 17 Aug '19, 00:00

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Continuity mistake: While Hulk eats breakfast with Cap, Nat and Scott, the crepe on the top is cut in two. In the next shot it's in one piece, then in two again. (00:38:30)

oswal13

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Suggested correction: The crepe is cut in two in every scene. The angle in the middle scene, does not show the cut as prominently as the first and last scene.

The mistake is valid. It's after the kids wanting the picture are leaving that you see the crepe is intact. You see the crepe from the same camera angle when the Hulk agrees to the picture and it's in half. In fact, in the shot of the crepe intact, it's completely differently coloring with less browning spots, so it's a different prop altogether.

Bishop73

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Suggested correction: With the exception of Bucky in Civil War and Maw's buddy in Infinity War, only in the Phase 2 movies has someone lost an arm in every movie.

Klaw has his metal arm removed in Black Panther.

lionhead

Answer: He was probably contemplating what to do with himself and the stones now he had fulfilled his purpose.

lionhead

Also, he was nursing his wounds from the first snap. He knew that he should be healed before letting a 2nd snap damage his body badly again.

Corrected entry: While Howard Stark is leaving the military base, in the background there is a white guy with black hair who resembles Loki.

oswal13

Correction: And? Just because someone resembles Loki doesn't mean that it is or was ever intended to be a reference to Loki.

LorgSkyegon

Correction: Think about it, probably Loki traveled in time exactly at the same point Tony retrieves the Teserract but we don't know yet, maybe will be explained in Loki's T.V. series and also it's very unlikely that a single guy with long hair and hippie look is on a military base in the 70's.

oswal13

This is way too speculative to be a valid argument against the correction. Until and unless the Loki TV series confirms that this character is indeed Loki, then this is not valid trivia.

Phaneron

Corrected entry: After Scott gets back from the quantum realm he leaves the warehouse without the van, but when he gets to the Avengers facility he has it.

oswal13

Correction: After finding Cassie, he went back and got it since he needed to get to SHIELD HQ.

jimba

Correction: But Scott did not have money in order to get back the van.

oswal13

How do you know? Being presumed dead, his money would probably have gone to Cassie, and he could have gotten from her what he needed. And that is assuming it would even take money. We don't know what the rules would have been given the situation, and it was his stuff. The storage locker may have been Cassie's in which case of course she could take stuff out, or authorized Scott to.

jimba

Corrected entry: After the Benatar blows off most of Scott Lang's taco and War Machine's landing causes him to drop the rest of his lunch, Hulk passes by Scott and offers him two tacos in one shot, but in the next shot, Hulk only has one taco in his hand.

Correction: No. He hands Scott 2 tacos. You see it's still 2 tacos as Hulk walks away and Scott tilts them slightly.

Correction: No, Scott only has 1 taco after Hulk is handing him 2. If you go clip by clip you can plainly see there is only 1 taco.

I just watched the scene clip by clip and he has two tacos as Hulk is walking away.

Answer: As the guardian of the Soul Stone, the Red Skull presumably just showed Steve the spot where he needed to return it. As for how Steve got to Vormir in the first place, he could have either borrowed a spaceship from Asgard or had Heimdall teleport him there via the Bifrost after returning the Reality Stone.

Phaneron

Asgard doesn't exist at the time Steve would return the stone.

It did when they took it so its still there when he brings it back. It's shortly before the dark elves attack.

lionhead

Yes it does. Clint, Natasha, Rhodey and Nebula all traveled to Morag in 2014 when Quill took the Power Stone, at which point Clint and Natasha took the Guardians' ship and traveled to Vormir to retrieve the Soul Stone. Steve can travel to Asgard in 2014 and ask Heimdall to teleport him to both of those planets. Asgard wasn't destroyed until just before the events of Infinity War.

Phaneron

Answer: No, his snap simply restored all the people Thanos' snap eliminated. They discuss it before he snaps. Tony reminds him to not try to do anything other than bring the people back.

We don't know that's all he did. Considering the Ancient One's warning that removing a stone for one's universe could have disastrous affects on that universe. One would think he would return the stones.

DetectiveGadget85

She was talking about removing them from the timeline, nothing about destroying them. According to the comics when the stones are destroyed the powers they represent will be made physical again in a different way. This does not happen when they are removed completely, since the power inside (the energy) cannot be reassembled again.

lionhead

Destroying the stones almost killed Thanos. Hulk would not have been able to bring back half the universe and the stones with no further impact.

We do know. As stated in the answer, Tony and Hulk specifically discuss ONLY bringing the people back. Since it's stated in the film, we can say with certainty that's all he did.

As stated in the film, he also tried to bring Natasha back who wasn't one of the half Thanos snapped away, so while unlikely, perhaps he did try more.

jimba

Corrected entry: The Wasp showing up at the end battle makes no sense. She didn't even know what was going on when they disappeared and came back, and Dr. Strange didn't know where or even who she was, so nobody would think about bringing her there. It's also too paradoxical for Dr. Strange to know she was needed there because he saw the future, simply because there was only 1 chance.

lionhead

Correction: I don't see the paradox. Dr. Strange saw over 14m futures - seeing the one where they won would include seeing a shrinking flying woman. Enough time passes between the "return" snap and everyone appearing for him to spread the word around every fighter in the MCU - wouldn't take too much of an effort to track her down as well.

The good guys were able to get loads of heroes together including Valkyrie on her flying horse, the Ravagers and Howard the Duck. Clearly adding Wasp wasn't a problem.

Yeah but how did Strange know where to find her? She and the other Pyms were on a random roof somewhere, only Ant-Man knew where they were and Strange couldn't have talked to him about it, not knowing him either. Didn't really have time to ask anyone or do a search. He was kinda busy rallying everyone else.

lionhead

He's Dr. Strange, so the simple answer is he used magic. A wizard who can look into the future and see over 14 million alternate versions of it would have no trouble finding anyone he wanted to.

Corrected entry: Thanos should have noticed there were no stones in the Gauntlet before his final snap attempt. When he knocks Iron-Man off he pulls his hand back, and as he adjusts the glove, he looks at the back of it. He sees it fully in the wide and he can at least see the back of the thumb in the close-up. (02:29:50)

DetectiveGadget85

Correction: He simply didn't notice. Entirely plausible under the circumstances.

What about the fact that the power that surged through his body when he put the gauntlet on would have left his body abruptly? Fact is, he should've noticed.

I'm afraid you've missed the point of the scene (and Thanos' entire arc). He said the arrogant never suspect anything. That proved to be prophetic about himself. He believed he was inevitable and in that moment he was completely caught up in his sure victory. Thus, he was arrogant and did not suspect anything, including the idea that the stones wouldn't be in his gauntlet.

At that point Thanos doesn't even know what to expect from the gauntlet, because he never used it before, so he might think that the stones are there.

Not possible, when you're looking at it. That's the only reason he would look at the back of the glove.

DetectiveGadget85

That is not plausible. The glove glows. Missing one sure. Not every single stone. Especially when he looks directly at the back of it.

DetectiveGadget85

The glove does not glow.

lionhead

Correction: He had already had the surge of power. Stark didn't remove the glove and had no intention to. His intention was to remove the stones in a tussle while pretending to try to remove the glove. Thanos himself gave him the idea when he removed the power stone to punch capt marvel.

Corrected entry: One of the big sources of tension in the heist is the fact that they supposedly have a limited number of Pym particles, as stated by Scott Lang. So after the test run they only have enough for everyone to take one round trip through time. Cap and Tony use their return supply to go to 1970, which is why they needed to steal more particles to get back. However, Ant-Man's shrinking tech is also based on the Pym particles, and his shrinking suit seems to work without restriction in 2012. They also have enough to both shrink the Benetar in 2023 and re-grow it in 2014. So either Scott is mistaken about how many Pym particles he has, or he is lying about them. And before someone says they calculated the number of particles it would take for the shrinking during the mission before assigning them to the team members, Scott discusses the limited supply before they had any plan of what they were going to do in the past.

Vader47000

Correction: Shrinking for those more common actions would not eat up as many Pym particles as say, shrinking enough to go sub atomic, as well as controlling where you're going and doing time travel.

Quantom X

This was addressed in the post. Scott calculated all the Pym particles he had on hand and said there was enough for 1 round trip each and 2 tests. Not '1 round trip, 2 tests and an indeterminate amount of shrinking during the mission which we haven't planned yet.' Plus, he uses a whole vial in mistakenly shrinking before the test, after which he says there's enough for 1 test, not 2. So, maybe there are enough extra Pym particles to do some shrinking after they plan the mission, but this is never brought up and would seem to contradict what Scott has already said about it and what we see onscreen about how many Pym particles it takes just to shrink (though the shrinking tech has never really been consistently portrayed in any of the films featuring it). So, a justification for one perceived mistake just raises a question somewhere else. There's just something off about how the film conveys the circumstances of using the Pym particles, however it is parsed.

Vader47000

Thanos has access to technology centuries beyond Earth. It's definitely possible his crew of henchmen were able to replicate the particles.

To add to Quantom X's correction: Thanos' men reverse engineered the Pym particles to allow evil Nebula to return with the others and pull the ship through the timestream. Remember it can take as long as they want to reverse engineer it before sending evil Nebula back, nobody would notice. There were never any more particles used than what Scott had available. Either more were obtained (from Pym himself in 1970's), or more made (by Thanos' men). I agree with the original correction that the small size shrinking obviously doesn't use up as much particles as the subatomic shrinking does and that's why he could do it.

lionhead

The shrinking tech for Scott and the shrinking tech for objects are two different things, remember he has those red and blue discs that shrink and grow things and he uses the vial in the suit.

Corrected entry: When Thanos is struck by Mjolnir thrown by Captain America for the first time, he is holding Stormbreaker in his hands and trying to kill Thor. In the next shot with Thor and Thanos before Mjolnir returns to Captain America, Thanos is holding his sword. (02:13:00)

Correction: Stormbreaker is knocked from his hand. He could have easily picked up his sword instead.

His sword would have to be right next to where Stormbreaker falls to achieve that, but as Thor is thrown around several meters after he disarms Thanos I don't see how the sword could be in the same spot they are.

Actually it seems that Thanos can summon his sword, just like Thor can summon Stormbreaker. You can see it in 02:22:34, just before Ebony Maw notices Hawkeye with the gauntlet.

Follow the action, he throws Thor in the same vicinity.

Agreed about the proximity. Thor gets thrown around a few times before he summons Stormbreaker. In retrospect, though, Cap's lucky that when he hit Thanos in the back he dropped the axe to the side instead of forward, which would have pushed the axe more into Thor's chest.

Vader47000

Thanos' sword was thrown several meters away by Thor, hooked to Stormbringer. There is simply no time for Thanos to have moved to recover the sword and come right back to standing over Thor as shown.

Corrected entry: When Thor and Rocket are sneaking past Loki's cell, Loki is playing with his object but in Thor: The Dark World, that was almost the same time Algrim became Kurse and caused the prison break. Plus Jane Foster never woke up, because she didn't sleep in in that sequence in the original film, and when Thor is talking with his mother, there's no sign of a battle going on outside. (01:09:20 - 01:29:45)

chauvihao

Correction: Loki can play with an object more than once, and the film never showed Jane sleeping. This does not mean she never slept at all.

Correction: We're only given the year they travel to, not the specific day and time. This is obviously before those events.

Actually they do give the specific day as Thor tells Rocket "My mother dies today."

While we do know the day, that doesn't mean it was at the exact moment the Dark Elves attacked Asgard. It is simply earlier in the day, before Kurse escapes the dungeons.

Question: Spoiler! Time seems to be defined as somewhat linear, with alternate realities branching off rather than changing the past of any given timeline. But if that's the case, how can Steve go back in time and stay, which should branch off a new reality with him in it, but then "catch up" with "our" reality? Seems like if he stayed in the past he'll have made plenty of changes.

Answer: The Russo brothers have elaborated somewhat: "the old Cap at the end of the movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam." They didn't explain his jump back, which leaves the door open for interdimensional travel. They certainly implied there's a bit more to the story which might get revealed in time. But thus far we know there's an alternate timeline where 2019 Cap was running around helping people (again, per Russo interviews), not interfering with "our" timeline.

Jon Sandys

Answer: He stayed behind but didn't reveal himself or change anything whilst there. That way the future isn't altered and stays "the same." This does mean that the timeline we have been following is the timeline where Cap stayed behind and there were basically 2 Steve Rogers at all times. That can theoretically work in a linear timeline idea.

lionhead

True, I think that does mostly line up. Peggy told him she got married to someone he rescued, but that could easily have been a cover story so as not to tip him off about what happens too early.

Jon Sandys

He originally had the tools to go back return the stones and then return back to his timeline. Instead of returning back right away when the job was done he just hung around and lived his life. Then as an old man used the particle to return back to his original timeline effectively leaving the different timeline he had just been living in for the last however many years. He could always return back to the the original timeline at any point. He just decided to wait.

Yeah see I don't agre to this because if he had used the particles again to go back to the future after living his life in the past he would have ended up on the platform wouldn't he? I say he just grew old and waited for that moment of his younger self going to back to sit down on that bench.

lionhead

That's not possible. (a) He was in the ice for 60 years. How would he know what not to do? (b) There's nothing he could do that wouldn't change the timeline. Anything he did means someone else didn't do it from the previous timeline. A house he rented, food he ate, places he went. Even whatever fake name he uses alters history as it wasn't there before.

The point is all those things did exist, but they didn't mess with the events that occurred in the movies. So not a different timeline than the one we have been following, but the same. This can only be done if the second Cap stays out of history. I'm not a fan of the butterfly effect, it doesn't have any basis, that's why I always explain timelines in this way. An extra spoon in the dishwasher or an extra tank of gasoline doesn't change the timeline so much that it can't be the one we were following anymore. So yes, he changed the timeline, but that's the timeline we have been following.

lionhead

Answer: Since Cap was frozen for 70 years, he could potentially live out his life back in that time without risking interfering with his future self's actions which would allow him to arrive back to the same point where he left. It's not too dissimilar from the first two "Back to the Future" films where Marty arrives back in 1985 from 1955. As long as Marty takes no actions to prevent himself from going back in time in that moment, then he can arrive back to the same point he left without causing a major disruption in the space-time continuum. Consequently though, since Cap married Peggy when he went back, this would effectively erase the marriage she revealed having had in "The Winter Soldier," which could cause minor differences in the timeline.

Phaneron

This is the point though - it's made clear that they can't change the past, just branch off a new timeline. And given we know she got married in "our" timeline, him going back created a new one, one where she married him instead. And that's all well and good, but that leaves him stranded in timeline "B", with no way to jump back to "A." That said of course there's no real reason this couldn't be hand-waved away as using Dr. Strange or other tech to cross dimensions somehow, it's just mildly annoying they didn't clarify it. :-).

Jon Sandys

Well the way they did it makes it complicated I think. The Pym particles made a certain type of time travel possible I think, a different kind than the time gem for example can do. It's irreversible, but not linear. The linear timeline is what the ancient one explained about the gems. They had to be put back in their place in time in order for the fabric of the universe to stay in tact. Only that had to be restored, but not what Cap did, or even creating alternate timelines in general (which did happen with Loki disappearing).

lionhead

I feel though that since two Caps were existing in the same timeline, one of which was frozen for several decades, then the Cap that went back to be with Peggy can still end up in the same spot as long as he doesn't interfere with himself or his fellow Avengers in their "future" missions. He might cause a slightly different timeline to happen, but as long as he lets his other self play out the events as they originally unfolded, it allows that other self to be in the same position to travel back to return the Infinity Stones and then be with Peggy, rendering any branching timeline to be inconsequential because he is putting himself in a time loop. Just like Marty in "Back to the Future." Marty's actions in the past create a slightly new timeline, but he is still traveling back to 1955 at the exact same point in this slightly different 1985.

Phaneron

Can't compare it to Back to the Future, there was always 1 Marty in Back to the Future since he goes back to a time before he was born. The changes to the timeline in Back to the Future should have butterflied a lot away. Not sure what you mean with "still end up in the same spot" if there are 2 Caps. The Cap that went back to be with Peggy didn't have to "end up in the same spot", just stay out of history until his past self goes back. Like you say, it's a loop for him.

lionhead

By "end up in the same spot," I mean the Cap that coexists with the Cap that goes back in time is allowed to play out the events from "The Avengers," "The Winter Soldier," "Civil War," etc. without his alternate self interfering in matters, thus he is able to reach the same point in time where he goes back to return the Infinity Stones and then be with Peggy, which is what creates/continues his loop.

Phaneron

He wouldn't be stranded in "B" if he still had his TimeGPS device (which I imagine he would've held onto). That could have allowed him to make the jump back to the "A" timeline. That device is what links/keeps the time traveler tethered/able to return to their original timeline and not get stuck. Either he used it to make the jump back as he normally would have, or he could've employed some of the great minds of the alternate "B" timeline he was living in (i.e. Hank Pym, Howard Stark (if he prevented his assassination in the "B" timeline), Tony Stark, etc...) to use the GPS's 'tether' as a way to get back to "A"

Exactly. What people seem to miss is that throughout the movie, the time travelers are creating alternate timelines, but always return to their original one. That's the way time travel works in the MCU.

That's a good point - if they go to the battle of New York and make any change at all, that's a new timeline which they're technically in, but they can still return to their original one without any problem. That new one then carries on without them.

Jon Sandys

Answer: What's interesting is that during Civil War when Peggy dies and people are carrying her coffin, there is a white haired man of Steve's build carrying one side, but it never shows his face. I believe this is a little Easter egg to show he was there all along.

Answer: Remember Cap took three vials of Pym particles. One for himself and Tony and another for this reason.

Answer: Theory 1: The MCU as we know it is a product of Captain America going back in time and returning the stones. Theory 2: the older Captain America is from another timeline. That's how he got a new shield.

Answer: Being regular humans without powers or highly advanced technology, they may not have been able to fight properly against Thanos' forces.

LorgSkyegon

Neither did the Asgardians.

The Asgardians were there and they are superhumans.

lionhead

The average Asgardians are all established to be vastly stronger, more powerful and faster than humans. Their soldiers even more so.

The remaining Asgardians were there.

Anastasios Anastasatos

Answer: Spoilers! Given what we see in Spider-Man: Far From Home it may be that they were offworld doing other vital work.

Answer: Since any reason given would be speculation, the easiest explanation is that they had something else to do in this, the one and only future where the Avengers won against Thanos.

Continuity mistake: In 2012, when Tony flies up inside the Stark Tower snooping on the Avengers talking to Loki, Loki delivers his lines faster compared to the original Avengers movie, and his movement is different too. (01:16:15)

chauvihao

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Suggested correction: This doesn't seem to be a mistake as it would require a side-by-side comparison with the original film. Within the context of this film, everything fits.

Exactly. You could maybe get away with submitting this as a Deliberate Mistake, but since it's a scene from another movie being shown from a different perspective, it doesn't need to play our exactly as it did the first time. We'd just be watching that exact same scene from the other movie then.

THGhost

No. The angle doesn't matter when the lines are delivered at a different rate.

Question: Why didn't Hulk use the Infinity Gauntlet to snap Thanos and his army? He was able to snap everybody that Thanos killed and survived, so he would have survived another snap.

Answer: The gauntlet fell off after his first snap, then Thanos arrived from the past and destroyed the building, separating them. Hulk never got near the gauntlet and the stones during the ensuing battle, so he didn't have an opportunity to try a second snap to destroy Thanos.

Sierra1

Really what they should have done was pulled the stones off the gauntlet and separated them again, and not run around with a fully assembled and powered up Gauntlet for Thanos to grab.

Vader47000

I agree.

That would mean they had to touch them, and nobody besides Hulk, Thor and Carol could touch one without dying.

lionhead

Ordinary humans can't just grab an infinity stone. Even when Thanos takes the power stone out of gauntlet you see it start to destroy them.

Only the Power Stone has been shown to kill normal people who try to hold it. Hawkeye literally held the Soul Stone in his hand in this movie.

Phaneron

Because he made the necessary sacrifice. Anyone else touching it, big problem. Could be an exception though. The power, reality and space gems have been proven to be untouchable and killing anyone who does (with exceptions though). Time gem is very carefully handled as well so I wouldn't touch that one either. Mind gem, who knows?

lionhead

I don't recall the Time Stone killing anyone who touched it. The only example I can think of was the Red Skull presumably being killed when he handled the Tesseract, but was in actuality teleported to Vormir. The Reality Stone has a will of its own, so someone could feasibly handle it without harm. You're wonder about the Mind Stone is correct, as no human character was shown in any movie to have handled it directly. Overall though, I would say that I disagree with someone trying to remove a stone from the gauntlet, as one stone could easily be lost, and Thanos could still kill every hero at the battle even with one or more stones missing.

Phaneron

The reality stone attaches itself to anyone touching it like a parasite and slowly kills them. I'd say it's a bad idea to touch it. As for the time stone only the ancient one and Hulk actually touched it and there is reason Strange handles it carefully and without touching it. As for the Red skull, don't really know if he is really alive on Vormir. Who knows what the tesseract did to him?

lionhead

Whether or not Red Skull is still alive is an interesting topic, but either way, I'd argue that while the Tesseract transported him, it itself is not what made him in his current state, but rather his curse to guard the Soul Stone and the planet of Vormir itself, as it is a dominion of death as Nebula stated.

Phaneron

Trivia: The film took inspiration from the Star Trek saga - the last episode of Star Trek Voyager was named Endgame as well and involved time travel.

oswal13

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Suggested correction: It should also be pointed out that "Endgame" as a term has been around a long time. It's a chess term and refers to the final stage of a process or event. "Voyager" might have taken inspiration from Marvel themselves since Marvel Comics have had at least 16 stories titled "Endgame", starting in the 60's. Stories involving The Mighty Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Thanos.

Bishop73

Suggested correction: Not to be confrontational, but has this actually been confirmed? As in, did any of the filmmakers say that they were inspired by "Star Trek: Voyager"? The fact that the word "Endgame" appears in both titles doesn't mean that one was inspired by the other.

wizard_of_gore

It was confirmed by the producers.

Kevin Feige confirmed that Star Trek: The Next Generation inspired elements of the film. At no time did he mention Star Trek: Voyager.

The episode is also about time travel. Caption Janeway goes back in time to get her ship home faster and save member of her crew.

The fact that 2 things involving time travel also involve the term "endgame" does not mean that one inspired the other.

Factual error: New Asgard is in Tonsberg, Norway, but was filmed in Scotland. The truck Hulk and Rocket use to get there has a UK licence plate (SW61 5PN), whereas Norwegian plates use two letters followed by 4 or 5 numbers. Plus the pizza boxes in Thor's house have a phone number in UK format (01632 960776) not Norwegian. In fact, the 01632 area code is specifically designated for fictional use in the UK. Norwegian telephone numbers use fewer digits. (00:48:50)

Jon Sandys

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Trivia: The man talking to Cap at the support group about his date is Joe Russo, one of the directors of the movie.

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Answer: No, his snap simply restored all the people Thanos' snap eliminated. They discuss it before he snaps. Tony reminds him to not try to do anything other than bring the people back.

We don't know that's all he did. Considering the Ancient One's warning that removing a stone for one's universe could have disastrous affects on that universe. One would think he would return the stones.

DetectiveGadget85

She was talking about removing them from the timeline, nothing about destroying them. According to the comics when the stones are destroyed the powers they represent will be made physical again in a different way. This does not happen when they are removed completely, since the power inside (the energy) cannot be reassembled again.

lionhead

Destroying the stones almost killed Thanos. Hulk would not have been able to bring back half the universe and the stones with no further impact.

We do know. As stated in the answer, Tony and Hulk specifically discuss ONLY bringing the people back. Since it's stated in the film, we can say with certainty that's all he did.

As stated in the film, he also tried to bring Natasha back who wasn't one of the half Thanos snapped away, so while unlikely, perhaps he did try more.

jimba

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